Somewhat miss-advertised as a “Tiffin” token with the correct Charlton #, LC-46A2. Light weight, half penny Tiffin tokens did not appear in Lower Canada until about 1832. The originals (full weight) saw extensive use in England until 1817 and then, of course, were shipped to the colonies.
These originals must have the Thomas Halliday mint mark and this through me for a loop. My Charlton catalogue shows the “H” mint mark to the right of the cannon balls on the reverse, which mine doesn’t(?). As it turns out (with a little research), variety 46A1 has the mintmark to the right of the cannon balls, 46A2 has the mint mark on the truncation of the bust (on the obverse), and 46A3 has both.
Here’s hoping my 2023 Canadian Colonial acquisitions surpasses my 2022 acquisitions!
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I had a fairly rough month moneywise and actually sold $1100 worth of banknotes and coins to get some money back, things have picked up with work and me cashing in some Donation tax credits.
So no $500 halfcrowns this time, just this bag of world coins that cost me $55 and had some nice stuff.
The group was very good and featured a lot of Canadian nickels in high grade (Best 2 are 1927 gFine and 1934 gVF) and most of them from 1950 to 2016. Also inside was a good group of new and old Mexico (And 48 Pesos in new money), Israel (17 shekels new money), South Africa (52 rand new money and lots of old including UNC 1 rand coins from 1977 and 1978). Hardly valuable stuff, but nearly every coin was needed by me. The few US coins included a AU 1940 Nickel which I needed, a 1943S steel penny and both 1988 dimes, all of which I needed. My old shekel collection of Israel was completed with the 1 and 50 shekel coins. It is just one of those lots that filled the gaps.
Plus I also added 3 new countries to bring my total to 149 (Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bosnia and Herzegovina) and my total coin count over 11,000! The lot weighed 2.7kg.
I also got 2 more shilling dates to fill gaps including the scarcest post 1937 one - a 1959 Scottish shilling
This one is described as gVF/aEF and was quite cheap ($10), it fills an annoying gap and the mintage was just 1 million compared to usual figures of 10 - 50 million per type each year. Why it had such a low mintage is a mystery, especially as 20 million English shillings were issued in 1959.
Its a bit too worn to be truly collectable, it has some lustre yet hair detail on the Queen is quite limited and the lion is showings signs of flattening.
1945 Scottish shilling, some lustre and close to EF, I mainly brought it as it cost just $4 and the one I have is barely Fine and probably cost more than this. Never stop upgrading is my slogan.
I also pulled an UNC 1966 English Shilling out of the bulk bad, another upgrade (I must have the only VF 1966 UK shilling anywhere - how could it get that worn in 4 years?).
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I also pulled an UNC 1966 English Shilling out of the bulk bad, another upgrade (I must have the only VF 1966 UK shilling anywhere - how could it get that worn in 4 years?).
Pre decimal Shillings dating back to 1816 (but most likely 1947 onwards) continued to circulate as 5 Pence pieces well into the 1980s that's why no UK 5 Pence coins were minted for circulation between 1972-1974, 1976 and 1981 to 1986 same with 10 pence pieces where none were minted from 1982 until they were downsized in 1992 because there was enough Shillings and Florins in circulation at that time. Also with the addition of the 20p coin in 1982 meant there was no demand for any new coins until they were downsized in 1990 and 1992 respectively.
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I can't believe I forgot that, talk about having a brainfart. I guess I am used to seeing high grade 1966 and 1967 UK coins all the time, as many that came here (New Zealand) circulated with our shillings.
Even that does not make sense, our old shillings remained legal tender as 10 cent coins right through to 2006 - for the same reasons, in 2006 the 10 cent coin was shrunk and the old ones became obselete.
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I can't believe I forgot that, talk about having a brainfart. I guess I am used to seeing high grade 1966 and 1967 UK coins all the time, as many that came here (New Zealand) circulated with our shillings.
Even that does not make sense, our old shillings remained legal tender as 10 cent coins right through to 2006 - for the same reasons, in 2006 the 10 cent coin was shrunk and the old ones became obselete.
The 6 Pence was in circulation until 2006 as 5 Cents & the 1 Florin was in circulation as 20 Cents.
Of course, they were both also pulled from circulation as from 1 October 2006 when both old & new coins ceased to circulate together.
I just received a small package of a number of acquisitions from US sellers over the past several months. These are sellers who don't ship to Canada (or anywhere else in the world) but thanks to a generous Numista member, I had them sent to his address and he forwarded to me. Here is a selection:
Pretty high grade for this Nova Scotia token imitating the Starr & Shannon type.
Also two more D&Bs: one dated 1834 and one without a readable date (Matron Head).
1858 or 1859. Clench was a furniture maker in central Ontario. He usually has a separate punch for the first name initials, but not here.
More economy level buy ins. This group was from a stamp dealer I don't like much (Preachy Christian who hates gays), this was a bag of coins and most wrapped up. I gave him $10 and said that was $11 more than its worth. Fortunately the value comes in around $25.
It was a pile of wrapped old Florins and Pennies (NZ), the usual toned and stained UK 1968 decimal short set, a pair of NZ 1967 sets (Blue and Pink, but stained packets). 3 badly shined up French centimes (1855/56 and 1894), some Portuguese and British stuff.
The usual Royal Visit medal from 1954 (Common as muck, as they were handed out to schoolchildren and most took good care of them) they were actually a good quality product, bronze/brass but large and well struck with a good clasp and ribbon. The surprise was the wrapped coins included 5 silver ones, a sterling silver Australian 3d (1944) and UK 6d (1912) and half silver UK 3d and 6d (1936 and 1921) and NZ half silver shilling - 1933. Not outstanding but $7 or so worth of silver.
Overall I should have given him $20 or $30, but he makes a killing selling stamps and does not really care about coins, hence he sells them to me at knockdown prices.
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Australian 1970 and 1977 Uncirculated sets - $10 the pair, the 1970 is worth much more. Also got the 1997 pair of Dollars celebrating Kingsford Smith, these are NCLT and worth the $10 I paid for it with a 1977 Proof set and 1994 Uncirculated set - the 3 items catalogue at $140 all up.
The 1994 set was in very nice condition - in fact all of it was, Australia is really dead here, I would get double or triple the price across the ditch.
1877 Halfcrown, bare VG - prices for these are running hot, many coins like this in Fair/Good conditon or slightly better go for Fine prices now. This one is probably worth less than I paid for it, but 1877 is a better year.
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Latest florin additions. The 1957 was described as “Proof” but I'm not convinced.
I agree with you, Proofs of the QE2 predecimal era coinage of Australia are extremely rare worth thousands of dollars, but high grade Florins are quite cheap.
As usual both of your florins are stunning, the 1887 is a knockout - mine is just fine (Although my Jubilee 1887 is better).
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I am hoping to get more of the NCB notes. Looking for a few from the Commercial Bank & North of Scotland Bank.
I would like to find a 10 pound note from that NCB series but so far - no luck. Good luck on finding a note from the North of Scotland bank. They can be tough (a lot like many of the Northern Irish banknotes) but the good news is they're underrated (so you may get a good deal).
The 50ps are from various vending machines at my college.
Then the finds below are from a visit to Horncastle.
The ones in flips are from an antiques shop that looked like it hadn't been painted since 1982.
The mixed coins I bought were from a different dealer which were between 25 pence and £1 each.
Finally I bought this nice Mexican 25 Pesos 1968 Olympics commemorative from an antiques ran by a coin collector with 30 years in the field and he had a fantastic range of coins from Ancients to UNC Morgan Dollars, silver Ottoman and Egyptian coins to BU royal mint coin packs.
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Three Silver and One Cupro Nickle 1935 Rocking Hoarse Crown , 1937 Crown 1929 Florin and a above average 1947 Half Crown that is far by the best of the bunch.
I agree, those are a nice group Ian. Those early date Cupronickel coins are always great in high grade. Most people don't bother as 1947 - 1951 is such a common era and the average coin is at least Fine and VF takes minimal effort, yet I think they look ugly in Fine - but gorgeous in AU and up. People in that austerity era, must have been a bit more cheerful seeing them shiny and new, but once they dulled - probably despised them.
I only spent $15 or $20 so for similar grade 1947 and 1948 halfcrowns and a bit more for a proof 1950 - yet most people can't be bothered saving their money for silver ones.
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The 50ps are from various vending machines at my college.
Nice - I have not come across that 70th anniversary 50p in circulation, despite being a daily user of coinage!
I took me as while as well so I assume the were hoarded when they first came out.
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because my collection Is so niche now Its mainly new coins. Couldnt miss out on this one. Also got a £1 coin Calpe house award in QEII portrait.
Gibraltar really know how to commemorate an event.
I also got one of this type as well - thanks to my boss getting them at the World Money Fair in Berlin.
I like the King's title - ‘King of Gibraltar’.
Aidan.
Aye, I remember when they added queen of Gibraltar and Spain weren’t happy because it’s a title of the kingdom of Castile. So I guess we sit and wait, see what happens
Former British colonial maestro collector. Also former ref of Gibraltar & many other former colonies.
because my collection Is so niche now Its mainly new coins. Couldnt miss out on this one. Also got a £1 coin Calpe house award in QEII portrait.
Gibraltar really know how to commemorate an event.
I also got one of this type as well - thanks to my boss getting them at the World Money Fair in Berlin.
I like the King's title - ‘King of Gibraltar’.
Aidan.
Aye, I remember when they added queen of Gibraltar and Spain weren’t happy because it’s a title of the kingdom of Castile. So I guess we sit and wait, see what happens
It goes to prove that Gibraltarians know where their loyalties lie - & it isn't with Spain or the Spanish politicians.
So, a replacement (*) note. By the serial number, I suppose it's a “modified tint”. The Charlton catalogue ─at least my 2018 edition─ is unclear about the difference between “original” and “modified” tint. On the Coins and Canada website, they don't even mention this difference.
Sorry to drop an ugly medieval here amongst all the shiny modern coins.😉
I am trying to move my Lorraine (France) theme in my collection back in time, and picked up this denier that dates from the reign of one of the first bishops of Metz to strike coins, Theoderic I. Based on the reverse inscription naming an emperor Otto, it can be dated to a range 964-984 AD.
Obv: Stylized temple. DEODERIC EPS MET. Rev: OTTO in corners of cross, IMPRTR AVGS surrounding.
Yup. we love them. But I can imagine after all those years of animosity if they seceded to Spain they wouldnt be accepted as Spanish
True, especially as most Gilbratese are not ethnically Spanish. Most residents are a mix of Genoese, Maltese and Portuguese along with many British (Meaning white British), Africans of Arab and Black origin and a big group of others including Libyans, Muslims, Asians and others.
Plus a group of Anglo Spanish (People of Spanish descent, but speak English or mixed Spanglish descent - say like a guy called Norbert Lopez or Jose Williams).
Plus its been English now for 320 years and the English language is pretty ingrained and relationships between Spain and the UK are not so strained anymore.
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Yup. we love them. But I can imagine after all those years of animosity if they seceded to Spain they wouldnt be accepted as Spanish
True, especially as most Gilbratese are not ethnically Spanish. Most residents are a mix of Genoese, Maltese and Portuguese along with many British (Meaning white British), Africans of Arab and Black origin and a big group of others including Libyans, Muslims, Asians and others.
Plus a group of Anglo Spanish (People of Spanish descent, but speak English or mixed Spanglish descent - say like a guy called Norbert Lopez or Jose Williams).
Plus its been English now for 320 years and the English language is pretty ingrained and relationships between Spain and the UK are not so strained anymore.
Gibraltarians also have their own Spanish-based creole language called Llanito.
Gibraltar did have 2 referendums in 1967 & 2002 in which over 98% voted in favour of remaining as a British Overseas Territory.
My son couldn't stand it and gave me a birthday present a month early - (well, colleagues, does anyone in the world have a complete coin year 2023 in UNC Czech coins in circulation already in February?)
They are common valid circulation coins apart from one and that is the bottom token-It is an annual set for the birth of a child, or to know what mom and dad used to pay.
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I really love this dragon design on the old coins and had high hopes for this issue. But these modern laser cut dies make the design look kinda cheap and somehow more unrefined 🥲. Die cutting seems to be an art that is no longer practices like in the olden days at the vast majority of mints.
But maybe also the missing toothed border and inner ring are influencing this feeling, they could have stuck to the old design and just change the writing.
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I really love this dragon design on the old coins and had high hopes for this issue. But these modern laser cut dies make the design look kinda cheap and somehow more unrefined 🥲. Die cutting seems to be an art that is no longer practices like in the olden days at the vast majority of mints.
But maybe also the missing toothed border and inner ring are influencing this feeling, they could have stuck to the old design and just change the writing.
I get what you mean, the encircling dragon feels a bit too open withou the border.
like a pattern coin with less of the post production additions.
I wasn't aware they used lasers to cut the dies these days I suppose that's where the “Uncanny” feeling comes from machine produced rather then artistic hands sculpting it from clay.
Still I do love that it's in proof personally,
I can't say I've ever seen a Meiji proof yen that didn't cost the same as a small house 😄
So, a replacement (*) note. By the serial number, I suppose it's a “modified tint”. The Charlton catalogue ─at least my 2018 edition─ is unclear about the difference between “original” and “modified” tint. On the Coins and Canada website, they don't even mention this difference.
@Camerinvs, the variation between the “original” & “modified” tints is so minor that it should have never been mentioned but unfortunately (much like the variation between CBN P-74 & BABN P-75 notes or the difference between Lithograph & intaglio backs on the 73 $1.00 P-85's) somebody got a hold of this info & it stuck in the catalogues. “Much ado about nothing” IMO.
I think it became a “thing” b/c the catalogue people got a hold of the info so they knew that tints were modified on the B/C & B/P prefixes for the $2 (the modified being the less common). I know no CDN collectors who seek these variations & that's why it puzzles me Charlton has had it listed for all these years (or has distinguished one from the other). Sadly, it seems as if the editors took their leads from the SCWPM which is a pretty lame source! Charlton (nor SCWPM) made any distinctions between the 1954 Modified Ones (which have 2 obvious tint variations).
If you look at 1954 $1.00 notes you will notice that the original darker green tints are quite a contrast to the later light green tints. Look at any BABN (or CBN) $1.00 printed with the Coyne-Beattie signature & the Beattie Rasminsky signatures (before the “F”) suffixes & you will see these as dark (original). I'm not sure where the tint lightens (is modified likely to save $ on ink) on the CBN notes but I would not be surprised if it is on the F/N signature change-over.
Here is an E/N prefix:
And here is an F/N change over prefix (which to me looks much lighter. Most N suffixes look lighter):
I also have the H/M signature change overs but don't see a tint change (most M suffixes look darker to me). But there is no mention of when the printers lightened the tint (even though many dealers/collector friends pointed out this transition to me 2 decades ago). And there appears to be no collector preference for one tint over the other. IMO, much like the “halabaloo” over the CBN vs BABN notes (I don't know anyone who prefers one over the other though the SCWPM stuck a premiums on regular runs of BABN notes).
Also, coinsandcanada are mainly inhabited by coin folk & are seriously "behind the curve" when it comes to BoC issues. They have some great info & resources but you're best to seek info from the CPMF if you wish to get to the bottom of mysteries like this one.
Brought back probably my most expensive single spend on a coin set from vacation, but could not pass up the opportunity either. This set was originally minted in 1985 following the assasination of India’s Prime minister Indira Gandhi. Apparently a few sets were struck in 2008 for dignitaries to an event that never eventually took place. One will notice the distinction here as back in 1985, proof sets issued from Bombay Mint had a B mintmark but has since changed to M when the city changed its name sometime in the mid 90s
i do not believe the coins have been listed in Krause. I sent in the contribution to the Numista catalogue earlier today
Thanks very much for the explanation, Serial_Number_8.
So, I won't worry about the $2 original vs. modified tint any longer. And you're right: the tint differences in the 1954 dollars are much more obvious.
As for the differences between lithograph and intaglio, I never took the time to compare them. If there is no real difference in the notes, I'll be happy to ignore this as well.
An Australian buddy of mine sent me a 6 monthly catch up of Australian bubble gum coins and several dates in my collection I am missing (He gets Kiwi gems off me!)
Set of Dinosaur dollaz 2022, 2019 JC and 2022 20 cent coins, 2009 10 cents, also 2021 Donation dolla
$2 2022 and 2021 Aboriginal elder, Socceroos, Ambulance, UN peackeeping, end of WW2
2022 Commonwealth Games set (Really bubblegummy) - Cover removed for easier and cheaper posting
50 cent coins - 1978, 1979, 2005 War, 2005 Animals, 2004 Sports I think, 1995 Weary Dunlop, 1994 Family (Requested before I got the set), 1988 Fleet, 1991 Sheep, 2014 (Some sh*t) and 2022 Standard
Final picture, 9 missing Alpha dollaz from 2019 - Qantas dolla 2020 or 2019 I forget what year it came out, 2022 Hunnybee $2 and Aborigine flag dollar.
Just great to get them. I now have all the coloured $2 designs!
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Today the post office brought me the long-awaited coins-the seller from the auction suddenly flew out of the house for work and all the auctions and had a large number of them, so they waited more than a month for the shipment. As an apology, he sent everyone extra coins - I got "glories", and I already have a whole cohort of these soldiers - but they will please for free.
The others are all Greek with the excavations probably all coming from Turkey. Tonight we are going to the ultrasound spa and tomorrow I will take a picture of them for you as a whole - because I have to weigh and measure etc.
But please, there are exceptions - here is - (why?) a nice desert patina ( although the archaeologist must have brushed the surface to see)I tolerate this coin and keep it in its original desert original.
It makes no sense to take a photo today of a two-thousand-year-old baked lump of leftover coins-all unidentified.
Beauty from the desert:
SNGvA 5064
Pisidia, Komama. Circa 1st Century BC. . Jugate, bearded heads right / Lion springing right.
I received a "LOT" yesterday,, Saint Eugelius-patron of numismatists can testify that I went to an auction for silver drachmas of ancient Greece.
The prices are beyond me( the brain won't take it) and that's why I preferred the lot.
They are the tiniest coins of the lowest values of "Hellenic Greece- 323 BC – 32 BC" They are all made of bronze and formed the main currency of exchange in the marketplaces of ancient Greece.
Only one of the lot caught my attention, and that was the countermark-coins cost me an average of one per ,,1,43$,,
I will now measure and weigh -and I have weeks of searching and searching ahead of me, then I will turn to knowledgeable colleagues and ask, and eventually some will go to the dustbin of history as unidentifiable.
I took a picture of the whole thing and then according to the size and put the "Giant-Goliath from the USA" there.:
And this coin with a countermark is to blame::
I know it's not gold, silver and it doesn't even shine and it's not colorful, but they are small coins that citizens used to buy bread and formed the backbone of trade at the time.
To preserve the inheritance of fathers and grandfathers and not the pursuit of mammon.
The highlight here is not the coin, but how I got it. Better explaining, where I got it:
I found it an hour ago, when I was returning home from work. It was on the street, between the bus stop and my home.
When I saw a big yellow coin on the street, I thought “nice, a 25 centavos coin” (usually I only find 5 and 10 centavos coins on the street), but I saw the lion when I picked it and then the Queen's portrait.
Finding a coin on the street is one thing, but finding a foreign one is another thing. And my neighborhood is far from the downtown and the touristic areas. And very far from the UK, of course.
The highlight here is not the coin, but how I got it. Better explaining, where I got it:
I found it an hour ago, when I was returning home from work. It was on the street, between the bus stop and my home.
When I saw a big yellow coin on the street, I thought “nice, a 25 centavos coin” (usually I only find 5 and 10 centavos coins on the street), but I saw the lion when I picked it and then the Queen's portrait.
Finding a coin on the street is one thing, but finding a foreign one is another thing. And my neighborhood is far from the downtown and the touristic areas. And very far from the UK, of course.
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