Italy 1936 R 20 lire

I would like to hear your opinion about this coin, and its authenticity.

when you rub your finger over the coin can you feel the lettering and image and the high and low point. If you can then it’s real

also the toning is a bit to dark, so put a loop or magnifying glass to the coin and tell me if you find it hurt or paint like( it means it’s fake.

its a good coin so let’s find out if it’s real it not

fingers crossed its real🤞🤞🤞

if this coin was real
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21257.html
it would be worth $5000
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italy-20-lire-km-81-1936-1941-cuid-1124839-duid-1471995
or am i missing something?
and you are holding a raw coin with obvious chemical treatment on one side in your bare fingers,
is it real, I do not know, I only say it is unlikely.

edit to add, I have read in this very forum that Italian coins are among the most counterfeited in the world.

Citalegowwwww​
​when you rub your finger over the coin can you feel the lettering and image and the high and low point. If you can then it’s real
​
​also the toning is a bit to dark, so put a loop or magnifying glass to the coin and tell me if you find it hurt or paint like( it means it’s fake.
​
​its a good coin so let’s find out if it’s real it not
​
​fingers crossed its real🤞🤞🤞

​hello,
thanks for reply.
I did all you asked,
When i am moving my fingers on coin, i can easily feel is this a horse, letters, face or whatever else.
Also i did silver tests and it is silver for sure.
I took some additional photos under magnifying glass, may it can help.

Cita: "Mr. Midnight"​if this coin was real
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21257.html
​it would be worth $5000
​https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italy-20-lire-km-81-1936-1941-cuid-1124839-duid-1471995
​or am i missing something?
​and you are holding a raw coin with obvious chemical treatment on one side in your bare fingers,
​is it real, I do not know, I only say it is unlikely.
​
​edit to add, I have read in this very forum that Italian coins are among the most counterfeited in the world.

Hi there
​You are totally true, this is hard to find coin.
And i keep it in holder.
I took a pictures and than i put it in holder again.
Italian coins are one of the mostly faked ones, that is right and this is main reason why i asked for help here .
Thanks for reply

Cita: "Sabmo"​

Citalegowwwww​
​​when you rub your finger over the coin can you feel the lettering and image and the high and low point. If you can then it’s real
​​
​​also the toning is a bit to dark, so put a loop or magnifying glass to the coin and tell me if you find it hurt or paint like( it means it’s fake.
​​
​​its a good coin so let’s find out if it’s real it not
​​
​​fingers crossed its real🤞🤞🤞

​​hello,
​thanks for reply.
​I did all you asked,
​When i am moving my fingers on coin, i can easily feel is this a horse, letters, face or whatever else.
​Also i did silver tests and it is silver for sure.
​I took some additional photos under magnifying glass, may it can help.

​
awesome I’m so pleased

to me I think it’s real it has all of the designs and the authentic tests look legit

worst case even if it is fake it’s true silver 😅

http://modoetianumismaticae.com/falso_20lire1936ita.html
For me fake.

Cita: "luca biondi"​http://modoetianumismaticae.com/falso_20lire1936ita.html
​For me fake.

​Hello luca
This is very helpful review i check coin under magnifying glass and than compare it to real coin scans.
As i get weight is okay.
I will make research or i ll send it to NGC.

Citaluca biondi​http://modoetianumismaticae.com/falso_20lire1936ita.html
​For me fake.

​Hi once again, i checked coin under magnifying glass, it looks very okay.
Here are same close ups as autor used to identify coins authenticity.

Cita: "Sabmo"​I would like to hear your opinion about this coin, and its authenticity.
​

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Have a nice day
colleagues

I wish I was wrong! I assume , for high value coins not a problem use the same metal. Even gold is used-the same weight of the same perfect coin dies. Whenever the price of a coin is much higher than the price of a metal and there is interest in it.

Please logically I want an answer-why is the patina between the letters on the obverse and why it's not on the reverse among the hooves of horses. There is less space and the patina would be difficult to clean - so it's nonsense , even chemically the washing machine can't do it on one side and not on the other hand.
So that was the intention!
So it's the intention to evoke the old effect of time on metal-by accelerating chemistry. ,,Look at my patina experiments,,

My friends are dealing with it now,, Czechoslovak ducat,,
very rare -exceptional year million value -so what do you think it costs use the same metal same weight , dimensions - counterfeiters in China , accurately created counterfeits, are fakes all a true copy coins with its specific defect because every coin has its birth certificate imprinted on the body and there are complex methods to prove it.
But why it is made is clear to you. Beware of scams on expensive coins , Others are not addressed .
It's just my opinion.
Ivan

Hi, I don't know if it is the light, but your rim seems irregular.
Can you post a pictures of the whole reverse from the perpendicular?
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I think fake - even before I made these animations >



as it has a dull grey colour, not a silver colour. Also a reply earlier
says 'the patina between the letters on the obverse' is only there, and not
on the reverse - so it has been falsely added. My opinions, for what they are worth.

Cita: "cobrapel"​Hi, I don't know if it is the light, but your rim seems irregular.
​Can you post a pictures of the whole reverse from the perpendicular?
​​​

​yes

No question about it, this is aa 15-cent in bulk fake, straight from alibaba.
Sorry!
LRC

Cita: "Mr. Midnight"​if this coin was real
​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21257.html
​it would be worth $5000
​https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/italy-20-lire-km-81-1936-1941-cuid-1124839-duid-1471995
​or am i missing something?
​and you are holding a raw coin with obvious chemical treatment on one side in your bare fingers,
​is it real, I do not know, I only say it is unlikely.
​
​edit to add, I have read in this very forum that Italian coins are among the most counterfeited in the world.

​Great. Since I only really collect Italian coins now, I have to be extra careful with them. Do you know of any comprehensive list of counterfeits so I can watch out for them? There’s already a small list for British coins showing which years the counterfeits display, if they’re base metal or silver (some fake florins exist in silver) and what features distinguish the real deal from the fake.

Unfortunately, no such list exists.
Though, I should suggest that you familiarize yourself with "lamoneta.it" and their forums, where a number of counterfeits have been discussed in the past.
If you ever have any doubts, post on the forum here on Numista, and we'll be around to help!
LRC

alas, this has become our most common undertaking here on numista - is it real - no - its a copy.

The Italian silver coins of 1936-43 are usually very rare and expensive. Mr. Midnight mentioned that Italian coins are some of the most faked in the world, so I’d go with fake until proven real.

Unfortunately a decent fake.
https://www.ngccoin.com/resources/counterfeit-detection/top/world/