Fake banknotes

Forgive me if this seems mischevious but, at some stage, we will need to consider whether or not to list fakes. The primary reason is that there are certain cases of fakes which were good enough to circulate and are of some historical importance. Examples which spring to mind are the Bernhard forgeries during WWII, the British forgeries of French assignats and the French forgeries of Russian assignats. I'm not proposing to list every dodgy tenner.
Any opinions?

I also agree about listing them. But only if they are documented by a reference catalog.

That sounds eminently sensible and should be incorporated into our guidelines for future reference.

There is a separate topic in collecting, when they collect fakes to the detriment of circulation (namely, to the detriment). In other words, those that were released at the time and came across in circulation on a par with the original

In the case of the WWII JIM's, so many of the fakes were just as good as the real--that collectors often don't know which they really have! :)

CitaSpeedymcgreedyВ случае с JIM времен Второй мировой войны так много подделок были так же хороши, как и настоящие - что коллекционеры часто не знают, какие у них есть на самом деле! :)

Почему так далеко? Вот пример из недавнего прошлого: 50 000 рублей за польский вариант (производство Польша). Я считаю, что каталоги не нужны. Хотя наверняка есть справочники по подделкам.

Krause uses an X number for fake/counterfeit notes...for example, a P# 26 known to have been counterfeited would have the P# 26x listed...

But I doubt they have tried to systematically list every counterfeit...and there are those who would say you can't make up Pick numbers...
It is what it is ..and would make a good debate...

This could be a chance for Numista to be the first catalogue to systematically list counterfeitet/fake banknotes and also to (finally) create a Numista number. It could be a beginning of a new era!

My local coin/banknote shop here will be the biggest contributor to the section on counterfeit banknotes if that does happen. Seriously, a lot of them look really authentic until you realise that it lacks certain security features.

Security features should definately be listed when known.

Im skeptical that this will happen. It seems we disregard most banknote identifiers if they require additional equipment or are not visible to the naked eye.

To list all the counterfeit notes is something I hope we do. But we need to systemically list the criteria that would let us know if a note is fake, and what would be there if it was real.

Deciding to condense listings goes in the complete opposite direction of a goal to list all counterfeits.