Great Britain shilling pattern, counterfeit? [resuelto]

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Does anyone have any information about the 'coin' below? Value if any? Any and all opinions and comments welcome.



Diameter-- 24mm
Weight-- 5.00 grams
Metal-- Bronze or copper
perhaps a replica of this
https://www.coinshome.net/en/coin_definition-1_Sixpence_6_Penny-Silver-United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland_(1801_1922)-hbTBwcI0dUMAAAErGKl1A7u3.htm;jsessionid=26656651DCFA482F068C5C1B281A68ED.lb1
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Here is an example for sale on eBay (via picclick). The seller doesn't know either what it is.

And yet another example where the German seller doesn't know either. He wonders whether it's a copper or bronze misstrike („Kupfer oder Bronze Fehlprägung?”).
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Many thanks to PetrusAscanus and Camerinus for their responses.

The coin appears to be virtually identical in design to the Great Britain shilling of 1817 but in copper or bronze. As Camerinus indicates, it may be a replica of the silver sixpence shown in his link which resembles the design of the shilling almost exactly but at half the size. It may indeed be a replica, but if so, who created it and when?

PetrusAscanus provided a link to the exact item for sale on Picclick-Ebay by a seller in Germany who indicates it may be 'misstrike'. This would be designated an 'off-metal strike' or error in the USA and would carry some legitimacy as a true mint product if it was created during normal production of 'business strikes'. I would like to think that this is true, but can find no evidence in [English Copper, Tin and Bronze Coins in the British Museum (Peck), The Standard Catalogue of British Coins (Spink) or The English Silver Coinage from 1649 (Seaby-Rayner)] that this is so.

LHNUMIS
​ We are looking at it 200 years later - but when it was made, of that metal,
​it could then have been plated with silver to make it look like the real coin.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8476.html
​ That plating, over the intervening years, has worn off to look like it does today.
​So probably a contemporary forgery. Maybe. :)

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
Thank you ZacUK for your response. Prompted by your opinion that the coin is a forgery, I decided to examine the coin more carefully. Below find two magnified images of the date and the word 'REX' of my coin. Please note the following: the ones in the date exhibit SLANTED tops at ~45 degree angles and, the 7 is in line with the previous one at the top and is somewhat smaller. In addition, in the word 'REX', the 'RE' are clearly separated at the bottom.

IMAGE 1. IMAGE 2.




Below, are three images taken from the internet. The first two are 1817 shillings, the last an 1819 shilling.
Image 3. is from a Goldberg auction. It exhibits 'flat top' ones and 'RE' of 'REX' is connected at the bottom. It also exhibits a 'low 7' that is set below the previous one but of equal height.
Image 4 is from the allcoinvalues.com website. It too exhibits 'flat top' ones and 'RE' of 'REX' connected at the bottom
but with a 'high 7' set above the previous one but of equal height .
Image 5. is from the Numista site and is a high resolution image exhibiting most clearly the 'flat top' ones and 'RE' of 'REX' connection at the bottom of the series of shillings from 1816-1820.

IMAGE 3. IMAGE 4. IMAGE 5.





It seems that if my coin is a forgery, how was it produced? If a cast, all the models available have flat top ones and connected 'RE'. If the piece is die struck (I think it is), the dies would of necessity have to be 'hand' engraved by a master engraver with the help of a set of punches for the inscriptions and date. Perhaps this was the whimsy of a mint employee filling up some idle hours. In any event, I think ultimately that ZacUK is correct...that it is a forgery done by a gifted individual.
Estado cambiado a resuelto (LHNUMIS, 1 sep 2019, 15:32)

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