Eliminate the Policy to Keep © Numista Photos [resuelto]

THIS THREAD WAS INSPIRED BY NALABERONG'S COMPLAINT ©NALABERONG
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic45754.html

There is an unwritten catalog rule that © Numista photographs cannot be replaced. However, this is counterproductive because Numista is a wiki site, not Xavier's (or someone else's) collection showcase. Some of these photos are of pretty bad quality coins and I think they should be replaced. Do you think this rule should be repealed?

French version

Cita: "dptashny"​There is an unwritten catalog rule that © Numista photographs cannot be replaced. However, this is counterproductive because Numista is a wiki site, not Xavier's (or someone else's) collection showcase. Some of these photos are of pretty bad quality coins and I think they should be replaced. Do you think this rule should be repealed?

​Um yea. Thanks Dan totally agree...Numista should strive for the best in info and photos. Personal photos of higher quality ought to be welcomed and not shunned.

We should always strive to have the best photos possible to aid in identification

Thanks guys!! Keep the votes coming!!

Hi, Dan. Could You show such photos , I mean bad quality?
yours
d

I don't have any great examples offhand, just many that can be improved. Here is one:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3965.html

hm...
+1
Probably there is another reasom which we dont know about?
Xavier, what this rule says about? maybe its too old?
David

I think most members would want the best-quality photos and would not mind their own photos being replaced. I can't see any reason a Numista photo couldn't be replaced or what purpose it would serve to keep current photos of lesser quality. The catalogue should not be considered a static representation of coin illustrations from a certain point in time.

Will

(Copied from the catalogue thread)

Playing devil's advocate here, I can see the reason why Xavier doesn't want the "(c) Numista" images replaced. Yes, the site is a wiki, and no, it doesn't belong to a single person, but he needs to protect the site as a whole.

Imagine this scenario.
I have a lot of very high quality images and upload them to the site, asking for them to replace all the lower quality images on the catalogue pages. It happens and they all end up with "(c) BizzoDoes" on them.
I then have a fall-out with the site and decide to leave.
I then remember that most of the images belong to me, and I contact xavier and ask for all my images to be removed.
That is a great deal of effort for the site, and could get them in a lot of trouble if they don't comply. It would also leave the site quite image-less in the catalogue.

I've read the terms of service (https://en.numista.com/conditions.php), this rule is applicable:

10. Unless by special agreement with Numista, you grant the rights to use any text or image that you add on publicly visible parts of Numista.

If I'm no longer a member, the terms of service won't apply, so I could request them to be removed.

I think that if the terms of service are rephrased or changed to cover Xavier and Numista should this scenario apply, then the replacing of "(c) Numista" images could be possible.

Just my view 2 cents.

I think we should remember that dptashny is the only person I have ever known who actually enforces this "unwritten policy" - even the Numista team members don't seem to pay much attention to it. Considering that this ambiguous rule effectively only exists in the mind of one person, I don't think there is much need for a petition thread to change it... I also don't understand why there is any need for someone who isn't me to re-iterate the things that I said on the exact same topic in my own thread that was posted half an hour before this one.

Nah Bizzo, you were a member at the time of submission, that's the whole point of item #10. The internetz is forever, as a lot of these silly girls posting provocative selfies on Facebook and elsewhere will one day discover.

I'm not sure why the rule is in place , I think it's just an overlooked anachronism from when the site was transforming from a personal project to a fully collaborative website. I would be very surprised to find that Xavier is still insisting on this rule.

Cita: "nalaberong"​I think we should remember that dptashny is the only person I have ever known who actually enforces this "unwritten policy" - even the Numista team members don't seem to pay much attention to it. Considering that this ambiguous rule effectively only exists in the mind of one person, I don't think there is much need for a petition thread to change it... I also don't understand why there is any need for someone who isn't me to re-iterate the things that I said on the exact same topic in my own thread that was posted half an hour before this one.

​I know a few team members who rejected my requests because of this.

And these polls are a convenient way to get Xavier's attention to a small issue like this one.

Cita: "dptashny"​

Cita: "nalaberong"​I think we should remember that dptashny is the only person I have ever known who actually enforces this "unwritten policy" - even the Numista team members don't seem to pay much attention to it. Considering that this ambiguous rule effectively only exists in the mind of one person, I don't think there is much need for a petition thread to change it... I also don't understand why there is any need for someone who isn't me to re-iterate the things that I said on the exact same topic in my own thread that was posted half an hour before this one.

​​I know a few team members who rejected my requests because of this.
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​And these polls are a convenient way to get Xavier's attention to a small issue like this one.

​Yes, these threads certainly are a convenient way to get attention. First Austria-Habsburg, and now this - what cause won't you fight for?

Cita: "dptashny"​Vote so YOU can be a big part of Numista history!

Cita: "dptashny"​Thanks guys!! Keep the votes coming!!

My problem is that there appears to be a self-serving aspect to all this - it's not really about the quality of the catalog, it's about giving yourself an opportunity to grandstand. This photo attribution scandal isn't a serious problem, but what's next? Making extra threads in General Discussion telling people to come here and vote? Trying to create an epic controversy between the moderation and us normal folks? I just don't understand the urge to take a minor subject that somebody else raised and turn it into a big, popular struggle with yourself at the head, but it happened with the "epic" Austria-Habsburg scandal and it might be happening again. Are you going to change your avatar for this one as well?

Next time, please just let me post about my struggles without trying to hijack them for yourself.

The 'Keep Numista images' rule was in place till a couple of years ago. I can speak only for the India section ... at first the moderator would not replace Numista images but that changed and he would Validate image changes if the images were an improvement.

@Nalaberong: Please don't reduce this to personal attack. Thank you!

Cita: "nalaberong"​I think we should remember that dptashny is the only person I have ever known who actually enforces this "unwritten policy" - even the Numista team members don't seem to pay much attention to it. Considering that this ambiguous rule effectively only exists in the mind of one person, I don't think there is much need for a petition thread to change it... I also don't understand why there is any need for someone who isn't me to re-iterate the things that I said on the exact same topic in my own thread that was posted half an hour before this one.

​And if you read you own topic you'll see that Dptashny asked for advice on the subject before approving or declining the change and the final word came from Zac.

Cita: "nalaberong"​Next time, please just let me post about my struggles without trying to hijack them for yourself.

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It seems to me that you raised a legitimate issue and the referee it was directed towards is trying to resolve it for you in his own....... enthusiastic, (that's the word I'm looking for) manner. Why the need for animosity?

Thank you Neil and Phil.

Nalaberong, no further comments necessary. Feel free to post as many personal attacks as you want.

If an unwritten rule has proven to be counterproductive,then,yes,it should be repealed.

Aidan.

I agree there should not be such rules. The pictures © Numista are mainly my own pictures, and they should be replaced if there is a better picture.

The only rules is that we should prefer pictures from Numista users (including mine © Numista) over pictures from external websites (when it is allowed), except if the pictures from Numista users have a too bad quality.

Thank you! Now please close the thread!