Should Nazi Paraphernalia be Advertized on Numista

Coins - yes but things like this?

Well, I mean it's part of history, The worst thing you could do for that period of history is to forget it, or pretend it didn't exist.  

I believe it was Eisenhower who said “Take photographs. Record everything. One day people will say this never happened”  And he was right.  Even though people did take photos and record everything, there are people who deny the holocaust happened

Completly agree with neilithicman.

As long as it’s not glorifying the third reich, I think these are historical artifacts, even if the history is unpleasant 

I've worked in museums for more than 50 years. As an artisan, my primary focus has been preserving technique; in my case pre-industrial iron working.

But a broader goal is to preserve history in an unbiased form. It's well known that the ‘victors’ throughout the millennium have rewritten history in their favor. 

The historian's responsibility to preserve facts, without any spin.

First of all, websites have little to no control over  what is advertised…

Secondly, Neilithic is correct.

Thirdly, people are free to believe whatever they want, even the current nazis. 

I totally agree that Neilithicman is correct. All too often the historical narrative is subverted for some agenda. This underscores the need to keep the historical facts pure without ulterior motives.

your web browser and AI are feeding you ads that they think you might like, based on your browser history.

Mr. Midnight

your web browser and AI are feeding you ads that they think you might like, based on your browser history.

 

Sorry but that is absolutely not true for Katz ads. Maybe for the new ads but not this one.

Anyway, good discussion and thank you to all for your opinions.

Mr. Midnight

your web browser and AI are feeding you ads that they think you might like, based on your browser history.

 

Yeah, what page in Numista have you visited today?🧐

Exactly, you get ads served according to your visits and search patterns. Since my browser does not keep third party cookies (and other things), I am only served ads that offers the item(s) shown on the page that I visit.

The advice that I can give is to take ownership of your data, so you wont get unsolicited stuff served.

@pennyless  @OhLook!ACoin!   Thank you for your opinions but a little off topic.

Hi all,

A bit off topic but,

Taking pictures & recording information helps but you will still get people who do not (want to) believe & want to spread false (unproven) information.

A good example is have people been to the moon? YES/NO

thanks, Merv

To get back to fjjohnson's original question, which I believe is at the core. It's said that history repeats itself over and over. My take on this is that we fail as a society to learn from lessons, and still cling to the original reasons for conflict/war.

The American civil war resonates with me because I have my Great grandfather's diary. It begins in late 1864, after he was sent home to recouperate from wounds sustained at the battle of Opequan. As he rejoins his regiment  in Georgia (14th New Hampshire), he describes the terrible conditions in the south. Especially the blacks, who were cast off from any semblance of security. But also the common whites, who had no involvement in slavery. These experiences lead him to become an ordained minister preaching the Gospels of peace.

There are factions trying to suppress the historical legacy of the Confereracy. I understand the reasoning behind this, but believe that doing so will ultimately contribute to the cycle repeating itself.

Thanks for that opinion. I never thought of civil war paraphernalia in the same light as Nazi Germany paraphernalia but can see how they are related especially for those directly affected by the war.  Good point!

As I understand advertising, Numista likely has little control over exactly what pieces are displayed.

The seller, in this case, Katz will select a range of items it wishes to advertise. Numista may only control whether Katz can advertise or not. 

They may not even have that control, depending on exactly how it's set up on Numista's end.

At least, that's how it worked when I was in Internet advertising (as a seller of goods rather than a website selling space to advertise in).

In a broader sense, yes, I believe such items should be available for sale - provided what they stand for has been defeated & consigned to history. I.e. I would oppose the sale of anything created by an active terrorist organisation, lest the funds reach them, but I do not oppose the sale of Nazi Germany goods.

The simplest view is simply that to limit their distribution limits the general public's perception & interaction with history. And then the masses become ignorant to it and we run the risk of history repeating itself.

By putting artefacts in front of people, it makes it real. It makes it harder to deny. (I know there will always be some who cannot be persuaded with the reality)

I've been to Auschwitz (and a few other surviving concentration/death camps). Those memories drove home the inhumanity of it all. I understood the “Never again”. 

If we simply paved over it, would I have that depth of understanding?

Arfefacts make history real. We must not let history be forgotten, even if it is unpleasant. Even if it is shameful (or at least nuanced with some good/bad) within your own country.

A Collector

As I understand advertising, Numista likely has little control over exactly what pieces are displayed.

 

Numista can influence what the advertisers show. Case in point: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic119003.html#p970417

A dear friend of mine, now deceased,  passed on an accounting of a German concentration camp commandant who was shot and captured. 

He was interrogated, and gave a testimony, or perhaps confessional before he died. The details were horrific. I can only hope he attained some sort of peace.

The Germans of the 1930's were only following what they were led to believe. My own grandparents on my mother's side fled the insanity of WWI.

But all this needs to be preserved. I fully agree with A Collector.