Add marks of officials of the Royal Mint of Spain [resuelto]

Mint: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/mint.php?id=24

Referees: @zegeri  @oynbcn 

I am adding marks of officials (assayers and scale judges weight masters) of the Royal Mint of Spain in the comments of the coins, but I have realised that they can be added as “other marks”. For example, this mint https://en.numista.com/catalogue/mint.php?id=4178 has assayers.

By moment, I only request add marks of officials from 1869. I expect the marks in the mint page are sorted by date of use, not by date of record creation!

Sources:
https://www.enumismatic.com/mints_ens.php?id_ceca=49

https://blognumismatico.com/2009/10/12/grabador-ensayadores-y-juez-de-balanza/

Note: What is the correct in English for (ES) juez de balanza? I use “scale judge” but Google has results for “judge of balance”.

Edit: I found the words “weight master” and it is more used, so I write here it. https://en.numista.com/forum/topic156292.html#p1221916

In those years the coins had three letters of mint officials (assayer - assayer - weight master) and the order of writing is important for know who is who. So, I do not know how could be added this to Numista. I mention the referees of Spain to comment this.

Edit: Marks are sorted by entry time, it is works.

The mint officials are these:
 

mark       years                assayer - assayer - weight master
SN-M      1869-1870      Donato Álvarez Santullano - José Rafael Narváez - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
SD-M      1870-1873      Donato Álvarez Santullano - Eduardo Díaz Pimienta - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
DE-M      1873-1878      Eduardo Díaz Pimienta - Julio de la Escosura Tablares - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
EM-M      1878-1879      Julio de la Escosura Tablares - Mauricio Morejón Bueno - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
MS-M      1879-1887      Mauricio Morejón Bueno - Pablo de Sala Gabarrell - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
MP-M      1887-1890      Mauricio Morejón Bueno - Félix Miguel Peiró Rodrigo - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
PG-M      1890-1892      Félix Miguel Peiró Rodrigo - Antonio García González - Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
PG-L      1892-1893      Félix Miguel Peiró Rodrigo - Antonio García González - Domingo Lizaranzu Astarlos
PG-V      1893-1896      Félix Miguel Peiró Rodrigo - Antonio García González - Remigio Vega Vega
SG-V      1897-1899      Arturo Sandoval Lieuvín - Antonio García González - Remigio Vega Vega
SM-V      1899-1906      Arturo Sandoval Lieuvín - Miguel Martínez Fraile - Remigio Vega Vega
SL-V       1906-1909      Arturo Sandoval Lieuvín - Vicente López Fernández - Remigio Vega Vega
LP-V       1909-1910      Vicente López Fernández - Vidal Peiró y Zafra - Remigio Vega Vega
PC-V      1910-1914      Vidal Peiró y Zafra - Rafael Caro y Fresneda - Remigio Vega Vega
PC-S      1925-1928      Vidal Peiró y Zafra - Rafael Caro y Fresneda - Julio Segura Calvé
LM-S      1929-1930      Luis Lirio Santos Lamadrid - Manuel Fulgencio Martín García - Julio Segura Calvé
VV          1937                   Victor Villanueva Vadillo (assayer = (ES) “fiel contraste”)

If all mint officials are separated, some assayers have the same mark but their years are different
 

mark    years                     assayer
S            1869-1873            Donato Álvarez Santullano
S            1879-1887            Pablo de Sala Gabarrell
S            1897-1909            Arturo Sandoval Lieuvín
M            1878-1890            Mauricio Morejón Bueno
M            1899-1906            Miguel Martínez Fraile
M            1929-1930            Manuel Fulgencio Martín García
P             1887-1896            Félix Miguel Peiró Rodrigo
P             1909-1914; 1925-1928            Vidal Peiró y Zafra
L             1906-1910            Vicente López Fernández
L             1929-1930            Luis Lirio Santos Lamadrid

so I think there is no problem. What I do not know is whether the order of writing is respected in the “other marks” field of a page of coin. Marks are sorted by entry time. 

My request is add these marks of mint officials:

mark    years                      weight master
M            1869-1892           Ángel Mendoza Ordóñez
L            1892-1893            Domingo Lizaranzu Astarlos
V            1893-1914            Remigio Vega Vega
S            1925-1928            Julio Segura Calvé

mark    years                                              assayer
S            1869-1873                                   Donato Álvarez Santullano
N            1869-1870                                   José Rafael Narváez
D            1870-1878                                   Eduardo Díaz Pimienta
E            1873-1879                                   Julio de la Escosura Tablares
M            1878-1890                                   Mauricio Morejón Bueno
S            1879-1887                                   Pablo de Sala Gabarrell
P            1887-1896                                   Félix Miguel Peiró Rodrigo
G            1890-1899                                   Antonio García González
S            1897-1909                                   Arturo Sandoval Lieuvín
M            1899-1906                                   Miguel Martínez Fraile
L            1906-1910                                    Vicente López Fernández
P            1909-1914; 1925-1928            Vidal Peiró y Zafra
C            1910-1914; 1925-1928            Rafael Caro y Fresneda
L             1929-1930                                    Luis Lirio Santos Lamadrid
M            1929-1930                                   Manuel Fulgencio Martín García
VV           1937                                              Victor Villanueva Vadillo → Q55179368

I don't think there is another word other then the translation in English but I would also say Chief assayer comes closest to the job description.

Idolenz

I don't think there is another word other then the translation in English but I would also say Chief assayer comes closest to the job description.

Assayers were responsible for ensuring that coins had the fineness of precious metals required by law. Judges of the scales (or whatever they are called in English) were responsible for the total weight of the coin.

In the English definitions I found assayers are responsible for chemical purity as well as the right weight.

“Juez de balanza” seems a role own the influence Spanish areas but it must be translate to English. We can not use “assayer” for both roles ("ensayador" and “juez de balanza”).

I found other translation: weightmaster

Google returns these results (I searched together with "assayer" -site:numista.com to get results related with coins and avoid Numista pages):

• weightmaster – 515 results
• weight master – 53 results
• master of weight – 1 results
• scale judge – 6 results
• judge of scale – 0 results
• judge of balance – 4 results
• balance judge – 6 results

Perhaps we should use weightmaster (if there is not a better word)…

Have you seen their ngrams?

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=weightmaster%2Cweight+master&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3

zegeri

Have you seen their ngrams?

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=weightmaster%2Cweight+master&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3

No, I did not. I see the most used is “weightmaster” (and the second most used is “weight master”).

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=weightmaster%2Cweight+master%2Cmaster+of+weight%2Cscale+judge%2Cjudge+of+scale%2Cjudge+of+balance%2Cbalance+judge&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false

This does not take context into account but... the results match Google searches. What do English speakers think?

I realised in last years Google says "weight master" (with a space) is the most used.

I write “weight master” in my request… waiting for others opinions.

Marks are sorted by entry time, it is works. So, this can be done without any problems.

All have been added now :)