Venezuela: 5 centimos 2007, y88, dates [resuelto]

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Allred1950 also found this variation of the 2007, 5 centimos coin.

I suggest to add a year line, so both variants can be registered in numista? Allred is trying to figure out what caused the two different dates (die change or change of mint) and which one is the most common. 

I would like to hear your opinion?

Ole

Hey Ole, you know I'm a variant collector myself. AND I'm a big supporter for extra year lines for variants. BUT the difference in variants must be seen clearly, no problem if that's only after enlargement, but at the end it must be seen clearly.

I'm sorry, but even with the best will in the world I can't say I see the difference (click to enlarge the pictures). I think it's a matter of lighting and shadows because of the lighting. The picture on the Numista page is mine but I really can't say which one it should be, I just have to guess. in my opinion that's not enough to really speak about a variant.

Of course it just could be my old eyes. I have a few of these coins, maybe I can see the difference with the coin in hand but I have my doubts. Especially since I only have three, so I already must have luck to have both possible differences. And you need both to compare, with only 1 coin it's impossible to see which one is it, in my opinion of course.

The left is bold and the right fine!

My eyes are also old (78 by now), but I can still distinguish between those to variants😊 (below my two coins)

Fine

Bold

I wish I had your eyes when I reach that age.

When I keep looking, I must say there's a difference in space in the date, especially between the 2 and the 0. So you (and Daryl) are probably right after all.

But I have to say, I know that Venezuelan website very well and they go very far in variants. Here's an example of the 1 Bolivar 1989:

However, they don't mention a variant for the 5 centimos 2007:

Since you're going to mail them for the permission of the pictures of the 50 centimos coin, you can ask their opinion about the variant on the 5 centimos?

Good luck with that permission. I contacted them too in the past about permission for pictures (for the National Leprosarium coins). They were very friendly and helpful. The problem is a lot of the pictures are not theirs. So in your case, you have to find a way to contact José Miguel López Bravo, who made the pictures of the 50 centimos variant.

I sent them my graphic of the 2007, 5cts coin, and on top of it all my other Venezuelan graphics

Essor Prof

Hey Ole, you know I'm a variant collector myself. AND I'm a big supporter for extra year lines for variants. BUT the difference in variants must be seen clearly, no problem if that's only after enlargement, but at the end it must be seen clearly.

 

I'm sorry, but even with the best will in the world I can't say I see the difference (click to enlarge the pictures). I think it's a matter of lighting and shadows because of the lighting. The picture on the Numista page is mine but I really can't say which one it should be, I just have to guess. in my opinion that's not enough to really speak about a variant.

Of course it just could be my old eyes. I have a few of these coins, maybe I can see the difference with the coin in hand but I have my doubts. Especially since I only have three, so I already must have luck to have both possible differences. And you need both to compare, with only 1 coin it's impossible to see which one is it, in my opinion of course.

The manes and tails of the horse are also different, and easier to recognize….

 Thank you Ole and all you guys for finding more about the coins.

Feel free to send it as change request.

Done

For the record, you do not need to mark these forum threads as a “request to change a coin in the catalogue” when there is no additional work for admins like opening yearlines for modification or merging yearlines. Also you do not need permission to send a change request.

While I find some of this stuff interesting, most of these threads are just a work clutter for us - forcing us to update status and reply.

I'll try to remember that, but to open year lines it's still necessary, no?

Yes

Good morning,

I have rejected the request for the new yearline. There is just not enough of a difference to merit it. I think it would be better to add a note on the yearline comments stating detail varieties exist. 

jasanche 

Jasanche

Good morning,

 

I have rejected the request for the new yearline. There is just not enough of a difference to merit it. I think it would be better to add a note on the yearline comments stating detail varieties exist. 

 

jasanche 

Did you have a serious look at the horse?

Yes, I did. I looked at the images both in my phone and computer.

Jasanche

So you saw the clear differences in the manes and tails?

There is not enough differentiation to merit another year line. I'll be happy to put a comment in the yearline stating there are two varieties and direct to your images in the comments section.

There are two year lines for like differentiation on a similar discussion for another venezuelan coin, but that yearline already existed and another catalogue backed the variety. The coin is also larger and the differences more visible. 

Thanks.

Jasanche