Is it a coin? Is it a token? Is it nothing at all? I don't know

After the change to the Euro, the euro countries scrapped their old coins to sell them for scrap. But to get the most money for the metal, the coins were kept in warehouses until the markte price was high enough to sell part of them. Meanwhile, to preven theft (since the old coins could still be converted to Euros), the coins were made unusalble.

In the Netherlands, the old guilder coins were wrinkled in a special machine, at the Dutch Royal Mint. The Mint sold a number of thiose wrinkled coins to a company called MuntPost (known on Numista for their medals and tokens). MuntPost made sets of them, and sold them to collectors in a special “Farewell to the guilder” set:

The wrinkled pieces of metal are still recognizable as former coins.

My question is: is there a place on Numista for these scrapped coins? If so, in which section? They were produced AND altered by the Dutch Royal Mint.

Please let me know your opinion about it.

Anton

In Belgium we had a similar set added to one of the first BU sets of 2002 … 

To me it is just PMD (even though performed by the mint) and not an element added to the coin to put it in circulation (on the contrary). It is similar to the boxes of shredded banknotes sold at some national banks as souvenirs.

By the way, this proces is called waffling, … and as usual Belgian Waffle'd coins are the best 😍

But the Dutch make the best Stroopwaffles … 😁

Mike

Should be in Exonumia similar to the Souvenir medals: Elongated coin type.

rsirian1

Should be in Exonumia similar to the Souvenir medals: Elongated coin type.

contrary to elongated coins, this proces is just meant to destroy the coin to prevent it from being returned again if stolen from scrapyard. Only that in this case the bank decided to sell some of them to collectors … like I said, like selling banknotes that have been shredded (contrary to half banknotes, that were meant to be used like that). So I still vote PMD …

BramVB

 So I still vote PMD …

+1

BramVB

rsirian1

Should be in Exonumia similar to the Souvenir medals: Elongated coin type.

contrary to elongated coins, this proces is just meant to destroy the coin to prevent it from being returned again if stolen from scrapyard. Only that in this case the bank decided to sell some of them to collectors … like I said, like selling banknotes that have been shredded (contrary to half banknotes, that were meant to be used like that). So I still vote PMD …

I was saying that it was similar to Souvenir medals: Elongated coin type such as Souvenir medals: Waffled coin type, not place them under Elongated coins.

rsirian1

BramVB

rsirian1

Should be in Exonumia similar to the Souvenir medals: Elongated coin type.

contrary to elongated coins, this proces is just meant to destroy the coin to prevent it from being returned again if stolen from scrapyard. Only that in this case the bank decided to sell some of them to collectors … like I said, like selling banknotes that have been shredded (contrary to half banknotes, that were meant to be used like that). So I still vote PMD …

I was saying that it was similar to Souvenir medals: Elongated coin type such as Souvenir medals: Waffled coin type, not place them under Elongated coins.

I understood what you meant. I was just trying to make an argument why elongated pennies belong in exonumia and waffled coins don't.

BramVB

 So I still vote PMD …

Then they already have a place, here's one: N#732

Since when does a coin with PMD deserve a separate page in the Coin Catalog regardless who was doing the PMD?  A comment of the existing coin page at most.