Can someone clever read this Keltic / Latin script ? [resuelto]

Hello,

Picture below…

I can't read this script for 100%

Think it's Keltic ? Gallo-Romano era

It's a replica from a specimen dated 15 BC.

For weight etc go > N#207768

This is what I figured out so far, starting at top edge centre, reading clockwise

✠ TONGRIS x ?I?T? x CUON?? x OCTAVIA x ???? ? ????E x ??? x

Not really sure regarding my findings 🙃

Here's a picture of my token

Can't wait to read what's engraved onto that thing that kept me buzzy for an entire day !

Thanks in advance !!

doc.

 Not sure … 

1. TONGRIS 

2. DIOGH 

3. OVONDA 

4. OCTAVIA 

5. LEOD 

6. ECCLIE 

7. NIIA 

Maybe: TONGRIS DIOGH OVONDA OCTAVIA LEOD ECCLIE NIIA or similar. 

ZacUK

 Not sure … 

Maybe: TONGRIS DIOGH OVONDA OCTAVIA LEOD ECCLIE NIIA or similar. 

Thanks a million ZacUK !! 👍

If I'm not mistaken I found the answer after some browsing on Google using the words you came up with

A smart archaeologist came up with this explanation:

La Légende qui prend place autour de l'image se lit ainsi :

TVNGRIS DICTA QVO[N]DAM OCTAVIA LEOD[IENSIS] ECCL[ES]IE FILIA
(Tongres dit autrefois Octavie fille de l'église de Liège)

Google translate from French to English =

The Legend which takes place around the image reads as follows:
(Tongres formerly known as Octavie, daughter of the church of Liège)

Not sure about the Google translate, seems a bit odd to me

Will have someone to translate the pdf file that covers some interesting details asap

Cheers,

doc. 

 Amended, given the new information, better letter interpretations … 

2. DIOGH > DICTA 

3. OVONDA > QVONDA 

7. NIIA > FILIA  

Maybe: TONGRIS DICTA QVONDA OCTAVIA LEOD ECCLIE FILIA or similar. 

 From all that … 

Then on the medal 

TONGRIS DICTA QVONDA OCTAVIA LEOD ECCLIE FILIA 

Would be representing 

TONGRIS DICTA QVONDA[M] OCTAVIA LEOD[IENSIS] ECCL[ES]IE FILIA 

To make 

TONGRIS DICTA QVONDAM OCTAVIA LEODIENSIS ECCLESIE FILIA 

In lower case 

Tongris Dicta Quondam Octavia Leodiensis Ecclesie Filia 

So only Tongris > Tungris 

 Lastly, I guess it was one of these two links you found … 

https://www.persee.fr/doc/antiq_0770-2817_1948_num_17_1_2864 

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41643184 [Not much text] 

 I hand-type that description in French (omitting accents), then translated … 

 Ce rappel de l'antique origine de Tongres s'accorde certes avec 

le glorieux passe dont la ville s'enorgueillissait au moyen age: 

une Vie de saint Loup, redigee probablement au XI-eme siecle, 

ne parle-t-elle pas de Tungris quondam gloriosa? Bien plus, le  

chroniqueur Heriger (mort en 1007) ne rapporte-t-il pas une tradition 

suivant laquelle Tongres se serait appelee Octavia, en l'honneur 

d'Octavien-Auguste ou de sa mere, la soeur de Jules Cesar; 

 tradition dont la ville etait si fiere qu'elle la fit noter dans la 

legende de deux de des sceaux: + TVNGRIS DICTA QVONDAM 

OCTAVIA LEODIENSIS ECCLESIAE FILIA, lit-on sur le sceau appendu a 

deux actes de 1241 et de 1264; … OCTAVIA AECL…NSIS FILIA 

dechiffre-t-on sur un autre, dont la ville usait en 1409. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 This reminder of the ancient origin of Tongres certainly accords with

the glorious past of which the city was proud in the Middle Ages:

a Life of Saint Wolf, probably written in the 11th century,
does she not speak of Tungris quondam gloriosa? Even more, the 

chronicler Heriger (died in 1007) relates a tradition

according to which Tongeren would have been called Octavia, in honour

of Octavian-Auguste or his mother, the sister of Julius Cesar; 

 a tradition of which the city was so proud that it had it noted in the 

legend of two of the seals: + TVNGRIS DICTA QVONDAM 

OCTAVIA LEODIENSIS ECCLESIAE FILIA, we read on the seal attached to

two acts of 1241 and 1264; … OCTAVIA AECL…NSIS FILIA 

we decipher on another, which the city used in 1409. 

Thanks a lot for the assistance !!

Been reeding on Wiki for hours but your input & translation keeps it compact

Think I will be using that info to add into the comment section

2 questions remain:

First one = English translation of “Tongris Dicta Quondam Octavia Leodiensis Ecclesie Filia”

Am I right with this > “Tongeren formerly known as Octavia, daughter of the church of Liège”

??

Second one is sorta bundle

Regarding the lettering on Obv. & the identity of the male who's buste is figured (Picture below)

Lettering under his neck = IMP CAE SAR = Imperator Caesar … Correct ?

So as is written on wiki I'm understanding that:

- Around 15 BC. there's a tribe called “Tundri” who manifests into an abandoned army camp, originating “Tongeren”

- As Julius Caesar died at 44 BC it can only be his adopted son “Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus”  aka “AUGUST” who was responsible

- Therefore it must be the buste of Roman Emperor “Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus” displayed at the token (Age 48=not sure looks younger)

This all correct ? 

Dutch Wiki about Tongeren:  https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschiedenis_van_Tongeren

English wiki about August: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

Here's the image of Obv.

Thanks in advance !

doc.

Yeah, that’s definitely a portrait of Augustus. He famously used the same youthful portrait on all his coins even when he was an old man (yes, even when he was 77)