Adding missing Signatures for Italian bank notes [resuelto]

Dear All,

trying to update the Italian catalog I saw that are missing probably all the Kingdom/Government members that during the time placed their signatures on issued bank notes. Could You please add these (divided by alphabetic order for whom I cannot find the first name):

Accame - Aimè - Alberti - Altamura - Amici - Arlotta

D. Balduino - G. Balduino - Barbarito - Baricalla - Belinzaghi - Berti - Betti - Bianchini - Blumenthal - Boggione - Bolaffi - Bologna - Bombrini - Borri - Brambilla 

Cammineci - Canfora - Canovai - Carraresi - Castello - Cavaiani - Cavallaro - Ceresole - Ciancimino - Cima - Collari - Colonna - Cossu - Cozzi - Croce - Crodara

Di Cristina - Dipassano - Duca di Verdura

Fabiano - Faralli - Febbrajo - V. Filonardi - Fortini

Galliano - Gallotti - Gambino - Giannini - Giovinco - Grassi - Gubbels

Impallomeni - Inserra - Introna

Lambertini - Lavaggi - Lombardo

Marchese Misuraca - Marchiori - Maresca - Miconi - Mirone - Mosconi

Nazari - Nardi - Neri Corsini - Nigra - Nuvoloni

Odetti - Oneto

Pacini - Palau - Papadopoli - Parisi - Parodi - Pavoncelli - Pia - Principe D'Antuni

Ratti - Ricco - Righetti - Ripa - Rocca - Rondanino - Rosi Bernardini - Ruggiero

Sacchi - Sansoni - Sardi - Simoneschi - Simonetti - Sonnino - Spada - Speziali - Spinelli - Stallo - Stammati - Stevani

Todesco

Urbini

Ventriglia - Ventura - Ventura Signoretti - Viaggio - Viola

Giuseppe Dell'Ara (Special Cassier 1874-1923)

Giuseppe Maltese (Special Cassier from 1923 to ???)

Wolfango Porena (delegate of the Court of Auditors from ??? to 1923)

Cesare Augusto Rossolini (delegate of the Court of Auditors from 1923 to ??? )

Bonaldo Stringher (Governor, Bank of Italy 1928-1930)

Vincenzo Azzolini (Governor, Bank of Italy 1931-1944)

Luigi Einaudi (Governor, Bank of Italy 1945-1948)

Donato Menichella (Governor, Bank of Italy 1948-1960)

Guido Carli (Governor, Bank of Italy 1960-1975)

Paolo Baffi (Governor, Bank of Italy 1975-1979)

Carlo Azeglio Ciampi (Governor, Bank of Italy 1979-1993)

Antonio Fazio (Governor, Bank of Italy 1993-2005)

Many thanks, regards.

Fabrizio

But we need the signatures images, do you have them?

I can take pictures from the bank notes but it will take lot of time…

Ramons78

I can take pictures from the bank notes but it will take lot of time…

We need also to remove backgrounds, probably some experienced signatures contributors could help?

Here what I could find for the emissions of the “National Bank in the Kingdom of Italy” period 1866-1896:

Galliano (Controller)   

Nazari (Cassier)   

Baricalla (Censor)

Oneto (Regent)

Stallo (Regent)

Cozzi (Censor)

Castello (Censor)   

Nigra (Regent)

Carraresi (Controller)  

Lavaggi (Censor)

Giuseppe Croce (Regent)  

D. Balduino (Censor)

G. Belinzaghi (Regent)

Neri Corsini (Censor)

And here for “Compulsory consortium of issuing institutions” issues of 1874:

Giuseppe Dell'Ara (The consortium delegate in 1874, then Special Cassier till 1923)  

Mirone (Government delegate)  

Let me know how You want to proceed and I'll send other pictures.

Thanks, regards.

Fabrizio

I still have to clean up some signatures of my own so when I have Photoshop open and am in the flow I can clean those up to. They have to be as high resolution/sharp as possible to make things easier for notes with a low contrast a busy background.

Idolenz

I still have to clean up some signatures of my own so when I have Photoshop open and am in the flow I can clean those up to. They have to be as high resolution/sharp as possible to make things easier for notes with a low contrast a busy background.

Feel free to do the same for Cayman Islands. Or if you have a tutorial, I can follow I can do them.

Thanks

I will make one next year.

Is it time to revisit ?

It would be good so i can add this information to the notes and proceed with other missing Italian Signatures.

Thanks, regards.

Fabrizio

@Ramons78  thanks

I began to prepare the batch: here it is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13DoeU30rEIJ0litXXxbHfbzBM47H8nW_CebHKV4t4Es/edit?gid=530246039#gid=530246039

Please complete yellow cells if possible, following example in green ; let me know if you have any question

It is important you put all JPG files in a Drive folder that you share link here, and that yuou name all file exactly like in the sheet (column R)

For the Google drive

Compendium

@Ramons78  thanks

I began to prepare the batch: here it is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13DoeU30rEIJ0litXXxbHfbzBM47H8nW_CebHKV4t4Es/edit?gid=530246039#gid=530246039

 

Please complete yellow cells if possible, following example in green ; let me know if you have any question

It is important you put all JPG files in a Drive folder that you share link here, and that yuou name all file exactly like in the sheet (column R)

Hi, 

I' tried to get as much information as possible but some, related to old banknotes, are not very easy to find.

Anyway, I've updated the batch with what I have available.

Now, how can I put the pictures in a shared Drive folder? In case create/share one and I'll upload there.

Let me know, regards.

Fabrizio

Remark: few Signatures are related to bank notes issued for other Countries (like Somalia or Greek Islands) when they were under Italian Kingdom dominion. I hope they can be uploaded the same and used later on related items.

Best regards. 

Hi

You must create a folder in Drive and share it with us (see here for a german example : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KqmB6ox5Le04-dT-3h_8SOelKQYTwBW4)

No problem with multiple countries : signatures are not attached to countries but issuing entities; as soon as the right entity is attached to a banknote the signature will be selectable. Here all signatures will be attached to issuing entity “Banca Nazionale nel Regno d'Italia”

Thanks for the sheet, there are issues though : 

- some signature filenames are missing (we cannot add a signature without an image)

- some signature are multiple : you must create one line per signature please (only if images differ a lot, not just slight variations)

Can you try to fix ?

Many thanks for the answer.

I need to use another laptop to be able to create a folder in google drive since with this I'm not allowed, but that's ok.

How can I separate the issuing entities? I have collected data for both “Banca Nazionale nel Regno d'Italia” and “Banca d'Italia”, moreover for Italian Dominions I guess entity is different.

For missing pictures, unfortunately I couldn't find any note sample where take them. I guess I could only add a comment into year variant, right?

I've added two pictures when there is a difference between years, like  these:

or these other:

or when I have two pictures and I don't know what could be better for Photoshop use, like these:

does it make sense, or only one is enough?

Let me know so I can make necessary corrections.

Best regards.

Those 3 examples dont need to add different signatures.

For issuing entities you need to.select the correct ones here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entities.php

Then put their number (end of their internet address) in column 2 of the Sheets instead of the current unique number

The second one with the dark background is far higher quality and technically nearly done just invert it and lower the threshold.

What about these two?

Just keep one or both?

Or these two:

:

Ramons78

What about these two?

Just keep one or both?

Those are very similar

Ramons78

Or these two:

:

Those are completely different 

Compendium

Ramons78

Or these two:

:

Those are completely different 

so, for this one only, I need to create two different lines?

Ramons78

Compendium

Ramons78

Or these two:

:

Those are completely different 

so, for this one only, I need to create two different lines?

yes and comparable cases if any please

Dear all, 

I've created the drive folder and uploaded all available signatures:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Jf52GJ6in-By7CXi4y2Zx4lN68itKRRB?usp=drive_link

Please proceed with photoshop modifification for those not already done.

Thank You, regards.

Fabrizio

I've updated the the batch:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13DoeU30rEIJ0litXXxbHfbzBM47H8nW_CebHKV4t4Es/edit?gid=530246039#gid=530246039

unfortunately I've not been able to find all signatures and I understand these will not be created, hoping to find them later on.

Instead for several people I have not found the given name, I'm trying to get this information but I guess signatures can be created the same and updated later, right?

Best regards,

Fabrizio

Dear all, 

is there any news on the approval process for these signatures?

Thanks, regards.

Fabrizio

I'm waiting for the final documents, it's manual work to update afterwards I would like batch import to be as complete as possible

Hello! Thank you all for the work done so far!

Fabrizio (@Ramons78) , let's try to adjust things in the best way possible. Since there are many signatures, I would ask you to create a spreadsheet for each issuing entity (one for 411, one for 412, etc.). We also need to create folders with the identified signatures of each issuing entity. By doing this, our work will be less prone to errors and future corrections. =)

We await this organization to continue here.

Regards,

Vladimir

Hi Victor, 

many thanks for Your support!

I've created new spreadsheet for each different issuing entity, let me know if it is ok.

I'll proceed separating signatures on google drive folder.

Best regards.

Fabrizio

Ramons78

Hi Victor, 

 

many thanks for Your support!

 

I've created new spreadsheet for each different issuing entity, let me know if it is ok.

I'll proceed separating signatures on google drive folder.

 

Best regards.

 

Fabrizio

Hi Fabrizio. Have you managed to organize the files yet?

Hi Victor, 

yes, files have been managed as requested!

Let me know if You need any further information.

Best regards

Fabrizio

Ramons78

Hi Victor, 

 

yes, files have been managed as requested!

 

Let me know if You need any further information.

 

Best regards

 

Fabrizio

I need you to share the folder with the signature files with me. =)

Ramons78

Dear all, 

 

I've created the drive folder and uploaded all available signatures:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Jf52GJ6in-By7CXi4y2Zx4lN68itKRRB?usp=drive_link

Please proceed with photoshop modifification for those not already done.

 

Thank You, regards.

 

Fabrizio

Sorry, it was already shared, see above.

Regards

Ramons78

Ramons78

Dear all, 

 

I've created the drive folder and uploaded all available signatures:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Jf52GJ6in-By7CXi4y2Zx4lN68itKRRB?usp=drive_link

Please proceed with photoshop modifification for those not already done.

 

Thank You, regards.

 

Fabrizio

Sorry, it was already shared, see above.

Regards

I can't access the folder because you need to grant me access.

I requested it a few days ago, but I'm requesting it again now. You just need to authorize it. =)

Sorry again then!

But I didn't receive any request…now I've set it available for everybody.

Please cechk if You can access and let me know.

Cheers.

Hello, @Ramons78. Signatures added! 

Please carefully check if all of them were indeed included or if there are any inconsistencies. If you have any problems, please report them here, okay?

Greetings,

Vladimir

Many thanks Vladimir for the great job!

I found these ones missing:

for 411:

Giuseppe Croce   Regent

Felice Nigra           Regent

Giacomo Giovanni Battista Oneto    Regent

Andrea Stallo   Regent

for 412:

Giuseppe Marchiori  General Director

Moreover  these ones has been created double:

for 413

Giuseppe Crodara-Visconti  Delegate of the Court of Auditors

Giovinco  Special Cashier

for 6428

Iginio Ugo Faralli Faralli   For the Governor

Best regards,

Fabrizio

Ramons78

Many thanks Vladimir for the great job!

 

I found these ones missing:

 

for 411:

Giuseppe Croce   Regent

Felice Nigra           Regent

Giacomo Giovanni Battista Oneto    Regent

Andrea Stallo   Regent

 

for 412:

Giuseppe Marchiori  General Director

 

Moreover  these ones has been created double:

for 413

Giuseppe Crodara-Visconti  Delegate of the Court of Auditors

Giovinco  Special Cashier

 

for 6428

Iginio Ugo Faralli Faralli   For the Governor

 

Best regards,

 

Fabrizio

Hello, Fabrizio. Signatures 411 and 412 included!

Regarding the duplicates you identified in 413 and 6428, each entry appears only once in the issuing bank's listing. Sometimes there's a small bug when selecting the signature, causing it to appear twice in the selection. Don't worry about it. =)

Regards,

Vladimir

Many thanks again Vladimir! 

@Idolenz, would it be possible to fix with Photoshop also all the other signatures?

Best regards.

Fabrizio

Provide me a new list with names and pictures and I'll see what I can do.

@vladthiengo , could You maybe inform @Idolenz where the signature pictures are stored on Numista so He can modify them?

Thanks.

Hello, Fabrizio. You can check the signatures included on the issuing banks' pages.

I managed to remove the colored background from some of them, doing a courtesy job. For the others, you need to check which signatures still have a colored background and ask for help with those, okay?

Regards, Vladimir

then please give me the links to the relevant issuing entities.

Hi, 

You can find the signatures to be fixed here:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=413

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=412

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=5829

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=6427

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=6428

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=6429

Thanks and sorry for misunderstanding!

@vladthiengo I corrected the 4 signatures that were not in black and white for the Bank of Italy issuing entity. Corrected signatures are given below:

Giuseppe Marchiori, General Director(1894-1900)

Guido Carli, Governor (1960-1975)

Ripa, Cashier (1961-1964)

Paolo Baffi, Governor (1975-1979)

Hope these help

Tony

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=6429

Sansoni, Treasurer (1942)

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=6428

Iginio Ugo Faralli Faralli, For the Governor (1943-1945)

Lambertini, Director of Economic and Financial Affairs (1944)

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=6427
Diego Spinelli, President (1950)

Francesco Ciancimino, President (1950-1951)

Gaetano Inserra, Comptroller (1950-1951)

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=5829

Vincenzo Filonardi, Manager (1893)

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=413

COMMING

SOON

………………………………………………………………………………..

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=412

Giuseppe Marchiori, General Director(1894-1900)

Guido Carli, Governor (1960-1975)

Hadn't seen ajbbarbados new post as I left the thread open.

So far, all images have been replaced in the database. =)

Many thanks to all, very great job!

Last batch

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/issuing_entity.php?id=413

Giuseppe Maltese, Special Cashier (1822-1925)

Giuseppe Crodara-Visconti, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1881-1888)

Francesco Pia, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1889)

Pompeo Righetti, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1892-1917)

Salvatore Altamura, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1911)

Wolfango Porena, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1917-1944)

Cesare Augusto Rossolini, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1922-1923)

Giulio Rosi Bernardini, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1923-1935)

Paolo Grassi, General Director of the Treasury (1928-1945)

Collari, Central Treasurer of the Kingdom (1935-1938)

Cossu, Central Treasurer of the Kingdom (1939-1944) + Cossu, Special Cashier (1939-1944)

Carlo Simoneschi, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1944-1945)

Giuseppe Ventura, General Director of the Treasury (1944-1947)

Parisi, Special Cashier (1944-1951)

Giovinco, Special Cashier (1944-1951)

Gino Bolaffi, General Director of the Treasury (1944-1953)

Alfredo Di Cristina, General Director of the Treasury (1944-1962)

Gaetano Stammati, General Director of the Treasury (1962-1967)

Gubbels, Special Cashier (1966-1970)

Francesco Ventura Signoretti "1st sign.", Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1966-1976)

Francesco Ventura Signoretti "2nd sign.", Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1966-1976)

Ludovico Nuvoloni, General Director of the Treasury (1967-1970)

(not sure if completely correct, source was suboptimal)

Rosario Maresca, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1970)

Salvatore Viaggio, General Director of the Treasury (1970)
 

(hard to see what is background and what is signature would need better source)

Gastone Miconi, General Director of the Treasury (1970-1975)

Nardi, Special Cashier (1974)

Savino Fabiano, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1974)

Bruno Berti, Delegate of the Court of Auditors (1975)
  

(not sure if something got cut off image source was suboptimal)

Canfora, Special Cashier (1975)

Ferdinando Ventriglia, General Director of the Treasury (1975-1977)

Impallomeni, Special Cashier (1976-1979)

Felice Ruggiero, General Director of the Treasury (1977-1980)

Thank you, @Idolenz!

All added. Only two signatures have a colored background.

Greetings,

Vladimir

forgot to upload the Mario one

Idolenz

forgot to upload the Mario one

According to Moneypedia, Viaggio's signature appears on banknote P#93a dated 02/23/1970.

Thanks but it seems we are already using the highest resolution image 😕 available on the internet right now.

Idolenz

Thanks but it seems we are already using the highest resolution image 😕 available on the internet right now.

I don't see a problem, since you did almost all of it like magic! =)

Excellent work!

It's called OCD 😅

@vladthiengo @Idolenz 

I was able to address the last colored signature for 
Salvatore Viaggio, General Director of the Treasury (1970)

I was able to find another clearer image of the note the signature appears on online. Took me a bit of time since I had to hand trace around the signature with a stylus but hopefully this works for everyone.

Cheers,

Tony

Many many thanks to all!!!