6 Kreuzer 1674

Hello all,

I am about to purchase 6 Kreuzer from 1674. I need some assistance from you to check if this coin is real or fake and if someone can tell me more about it since I'm kind of new in numismatics.

Thank you

Welcome to Numista and to numismatics!

It looks real from the photos, but things like the weight are usually am important indicator of authenticity, too.  You can ask the seller if they know the weight, which should be close to 3 g.

This coin is from the Austrian province of Styria (the lettering on the reverse tells us this).  Here is an example which was listed  recently at auction but did not meet the opening bid of 40 euros:  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7401708

The Krause catalog lists it as KM#1233:  Austria 6 Kreuzer KM 1233 Prices & Values | NGC (ngccoin.com)

(Edited to remove comment on presence of this type in Numista since bjherbison found it).

It's a coin from Austria or Styria, depending how you split issuers. Graz mint. KM# 1233.

N#88801

From the pictures I would guess it was real. If I was going to pay more than $10 I'd probably want better images.

A good place to look for examples of other coins for sale from Germany and Central Europe is MA-shops.

You can find this example of the same type for sale there:  Haus Habsburg 6 Kreuzer 1674 Leopold I. (1657-1705) Graz F-VF | MA-Shops

Coins sold through MA-shops are often priced higher than on eBay, but the sellers there usually trusted ones.  

Well comparing with the images you guys provided me with it looks real but I guess each of these coins is handmade so they all have differences. The price is $15.

vukasin1996

Well comparing with the images you guys provided me with it looks real but I guess each of these coins is handmade so they all have differences. The price is $15.

How does it fit in your collection? There are roughly comparable coins I would pay $30 for in that condition because they would make a nice addition to my collection. $15 would be reasonable for many more. For that particular coin I own a copy of that type and while there are variations between that coin and my coin it wouldn't be worth $15 to me to have a minor variation.

Well my collections is kind of mixed of mostly Yugoslav royal and communist coins so i decided to expand my collection to old German/Austrian coins. I am from Bosnia and shipping costs from any EU country or USA would cost too much and this coins is the only one I could find on our bosnian ‘ebay’
So what you're saying is that it isn't worth 15 dollars?

The coin is worth whatever you are willing to pay. If I didn't have that type it would be more valuable to me. I probably wouldn't make a separate purchase for it, but if I was making a purchase from the seller I would search the seller's other listings and adding that to my order for $15.

I understand sir. So according to you this is original coin not a replica , I mean according to what you can see on pictures i have attached. If it's so I will buy it and make some more photos for you.

Do we all agree that the coin looks bent? Possibly was bent more and someone unbent it a bit?

Appears to be in poor shape.

bjherbison

It's a coin from Austria or Styria, depending how you split issuers. Graz mint. KM# 1233.

N#88801

 

From the pictures I would guess it was real. If I was going to pay more than $10 I'd probably want better images.

Styria IS in Austria.

Aidan.

BCNumismatics

bjherbison

It's a coin from Austria or Styria, depending how you split issuers. Graz mint. KM# 1233.

N#88801

 

From the pictures I would guess it was real. If I was going to pay more than $10 I'd probably want better images.

 

Styria IS in Austria.

 

Aidan.

The location of Styria is currently inside the Republic of Austria, but not everyone catalogs coins based on current boundaries and divisions.

At the time of this coin the Duchy of Styria wasn't part of the Archduchy of Austria. Schön DM catalogs the coins of Styria (Steiermark) in the 1700s separately from the coins of Austria, and in 1674 Styria wasn't more a part of Austria.

The Austrian Monarchy dates from 1804. The Archduchy of Austria dates from 1453, but Styria wasn't part of it. Styria was part of Inner Austria for periods before 1619, but Inner Austria also wasn't part of the Archduchy of Austria.

Kopeika

Do we all agree that the coin looks bent? Possibly was bent more and someone unbent it a bit?

Appears to be in poor shape.

When the OP owns the coin he can confirm this.

Otherwise, tough to confirm a three dimensional proposition from a two dimensional image.

Remember this was also the era of roller mills that bent every coin produced in them.  Which is not PMD.

tdziemia

 

Remember this was also the era of roller mills that bent every coin produced in them.  Which is not PMD.

Ah, I was not aware of such thing.

The shading on the pictures suggests it might be bent, so I assumed it's one of those coins that are found in a field and had been damaged by a plow at some point.

Silesia, Duchy of Wurttemburg-Oels, 1674 6 Kreuzer:

Yes, depending on the nature of the bending, could also be PMD, as you say.  But a uniform bending like this is a result of the coining process.

Kopeika

Do we all agree that the coin looks bent? Possibly was bent more and someone unbent it a bit?

Appears to be in poor shape.

I thought that at first too.  But when I looked at the enlarged picture, I'm pretty sure it's the dark spots / discoloring playing tricks on the eye.

Hello,vukasin1996 & all of you!

The coin looks for sure as genuine(besides that,low denominations like this were seldom counterfieted; the work for it didn't worth the value!).

This type coin is catalogued in K.M. under Austria,for emperor Leopold I,with the following values:

8$-V.G.; 20$-Fine; 40$-V.F. etc.

If your coin is not bent accidentely,it can be graded for some F./V.F. So,I believe that a 15$ price is a fair one(especially for you!). Good luck in collecting!

Andi

AndiPasculescu10

Hello,vukasin1996 & all of you!

The coin looks for sure as genuine(besides that,low denominations like this were seldom counterfieted; the work for it didn't worth the value!).

This type coin is catalogued in K.M. under Austria,for emperor Leopold I,with the following values:

8$-V.G.; 20$-Fine; 40$-V.F. etc.

If your coin is not bent accidentely,it can be graded for some F./V.F. So,I believe that a 15$ price is a fair one(especially for you!). Good luck in collecting!

Andi

Thanks a lot Andi! I will post some more pictures from more angles once the coin arrives.

Sincerely.