Discrepancies on Krause/Bank Note Museum and Krause mistake (Colombia $ 10 000)

Hello friends:

I searched for variants/differences on Colombian banknotes, and found something that I can't understand, and made me more confused.

I looked Bank Note Museum site, P# 443 but found while BNM shows a note about Colombian hero Policarpa Salvarrieta, Krause shows Indian young woman “Mujer Embera”. Also I noticed the images of the notes have the dates detailed on Krause catalog (all of them, exact dates). Unhopefully, dates on images of notes shown on Krause are not clear to see.

I kept searching and found previous issues P# 437 and P# 437A on Krause show the same image (same serial number). They don't explain what the difference was to assign different numbers, and of course if they are different variants, there is no reason for they have the same serian number. 

I searched more, and found on # 453 image shown on Krause is about Policarpa Salvarrieta, but description is about Mujer Embera.

So far, I think mistakes on Krause are:

- Image on P# 437A was duplicated form P# 437,

- Image and description on P# 443 is the one for P#437A,

- Imasge and description on P# 444 are OK,

- Description shown on P# 435 is wrong, and it should be similar to P# 443 and P# 444.

Please let me know if someone have news from this discrepancies.

What edition of Krause do you have? 

I have been trying to follow your descriptions with my 24th Edition &:

P-437 10,000 Pesos (1992 Commemorative Issue) described as light & dark brown & P-437A (1993/1994) described as dark brown & black, regular issue have different images (the images of the 2 notes have different serial numbers) & completely different descriptions.  I'm also struggling to follow the discrepancies with the 5000 Pesos you describe for P-434 to P-436A.  They appear okay in my edition but maybe I should go over them again.

However, it seems that the description for P-443 (with Colombian hero Policarpa Salvarrieta similar to the note seen for P-444a) is indeed incorrect in my 24 Ed yet the dates are correct (BNM is correct).   Perhaps just the early mistakes were revised in my 24th edition?

Hello!

My Krause is 25th. edition.

OK, I´m showing what I mean:

- Krause P# 437 & P# 437A; Numista images P# 437 & P# 437A

Both images on Krause are the same, you can see the serial number is identical on both “00000942”, date is not readable in my copy. Looking the Numista images, I can see the typography on serial numbers used on Krause images is the same used on P# 437 on Numista; they are “squared” ; while the typography on P# 437A on Numista are “rounded”.

- Krause P# 443 vs. BNM P# 443 BNM Site

Images and descriptions are totally different, but dates of notes on Krause are identical to the notes shown on BNM. Again, I see typography used on serial numbers showing on Krause image, is “rounded”, which matches the one shown on Numista P# 437A.

- Krause P# 444 and BNM P# 444

Images and descriptions, including dates are the same on both (no need to show images).

- Krause P# 453 & BNM P# 453 BNM Site

Krause description does not match the image, on BNM site, description is OK, and dates are the same as shown on Krause.

RESUME

I think there happened two mistakes: 

1) Krause used image from P# 437 on P# 437A; then as some date matched, they used the image correponding to P# 437A on p# 433, and changed the description to match the image. P# 444 is OK,

2) The other mistake is they used the wrong description on P# 453; possibly caused by the previous mistake.

Hope this make clear what I have found.

Regards.

Yes- I see what you mean now. In the 24Ed of Krause, the images are incorrectly placed: P-437 (1992) has the 2nd “Pesos” (incorrect) image (belongs to 1993/1994) & P-437A has the “Pesos Oro” (1992 note).  Unfortunately, the editors botched up the 25th Ed b/c the images of the notes should have been flipped but instead they used the early “Pesos Oro” (1992) version (incorrectly) for both.  

Also, you've noticed that the serial number fonts are different (good eye!). The 1992 “Pesos Oro” P-437 appears to have employed a 

rounded “ARIAL” like font, whereas P-437A employed a more elaborate (fancy Superclarendon like) font. 

Yes, P-453a should be P-443! Looks like the BNM has more accurate info.

Yesterday I was at Instituto Uruguayo de Numismática - IUN (our National Numismatics Association), where I am part of Direction Comision, as Secretary, and searched on the old catalog we have there, it was 8th. edition, 2002. 

I found on that edition P# 437A has no image, same as P# 443, descriptions are the same as current ones. Of course, still was not listed P# 453.

So far, I think we should stick to BNM information, which seems to ber much more accurate.

I will add explanation of the facts on banknote pages, so people understand the differences between us and Krause.

Which one says “Banco” while the other says “El Banco?”

I did a video on this complex note.it was very informative.  I learned that originally it was designed and printed in Mexico and then moved the printing in later years yo Colombia.

I also have some guesses as to why the note shows two flamingos and why the mictoprints of the birds names font match the birds depicted.

You all might enjoy the video.

Oklahoman

Which one says “Banco” while the other says “El Banco?”

 

I did a video on this complex note.it was very informative.  I learned that originally it was designed and printed in Mexico and then moved the printing in later years yo Colombia.

 

I also have some guesses as to why the note shows two flamingos and why the mictoprints of the birds names font match the birds depicted.

 

You all might enjoy the video.

I meant, difference is on P# 437 and P# 437A; 

P# 437 shows “EL BANCO” and “ PESOS ORO” on obverse, while 

P# 437A Shows “BANCO” and “PESOS” only.

I don¡t understand the sentence about flamingos, I don't have those notes, and pictures are a bit blurry, so I can't see details.

I'd like to see the video, where can I reach it?

I don¡t understand the sentence about flamingos, I don't have those notes, and pictures are a bit blurry, so I can't see details.

-the 2 flamingos are on the reverse of P-437 (bottom L corner & a bit obscured/hidden in the top R corner). Not sure which video he's referring to but @Oklahomon made this thread on the 10,000 Commemorative.

I found that SCWPM would occasionally make errors in placement of images, and very occasionally in duplication of content as original content and updated content made it through the editing stage into print. 

The link to the video I made for the Colombian 10 000 pesos is linked in the thread referenced in the above post.