How to handle day-dated banknotes in yearlines? [resuelto]

As far as I know there is not yet a policy of how to handle day-dated banknotes (eg. France, Belgium, Egypt, ...). Sometimes noted are dated with the exact day they were printed, which means that you can get very long lists if you decide to put them all in separate yearlines, like this Tunisian note. On other pages they are just split up per year, maybe still with splits for different signatures, like on this Belgian one and then the user can add his date to the comment section. And then there are pages where only a few of the available dates have already been added just based on the dates that are in numista collections, but if aiming for completeness would end up looking like the Tunisian page above ...

Before many more hundreds of datelines are added, it would be good to have an overall policy.

I support the easier yearlines by year, where users can add the exact dates in the comment section. This keeps the pages cleaner and it is easier to update 5 yearlines than to have to edit 150 (in two languages).

This policy can also apply to other numbers/letters on the banknotes, like series, prefixes, alfabet (here in connection with date), ... when to create new year lines and when to keep the pages more slim.

Please join in, I guess it might also be different by country (eg. US splits notes by series/printer, while Argentina only splits by signature and keeps series together).

I think if a month date and year exists on a note it should have its own date line. How else can we accommodate collectors by date?

Long pages are not a good plan, they are unruly. When adding your banknote could there be a drop down list that allows you to select a particular year, or a collapsable per year list.

Cita: "peterjhalford"​Long pages are not a good plan, they are unruly. When adding your banknote could there be a drop down list that allows you to select a particular year, or a collapsable per year list.

​If that were possible, it would solve many of the problems long lists of individual dates could create. For now, I'd say the best approach is to include indvidual dates if it's practical (for many notes it's only a few) in the hope that it will be possible to do a better job in the future. I certainly wouldn't want to see the lists we do have removed due to over zealous application of a new guideline.

ceh2019

Quote: "peterjhalford"​Long pages are not a good plan, they are unruly. When adding your banknote could there be a drop down list that allows you to select a particular year, or a collapsable per year list.

​If that were possible, it would solve many of the problems long lists of individual dates could create. For now, I'd say the best approach is to include indvidual dates if it's practical (for many notes it's only a few) in the hope that it will be possible to do a better job in the future. I certainly wouldn't want to see the lists we do have removed due to over zealous application of a new guideline.

Strongly seconded. There are many banknotes that have only a few (IIRC sometimes just two or three) possible dates, but some of them are in the same year. We don't want to end up having the same-year dates conflated just because there are other notes where the lists are longer.

 

[I couldn't find an example with just two dates, but here's one with three.]

peterjhalfordLong pages are not a good plan, they are unruly. When adding your banknote could there be a drop down list that allows you to select a particular year, or a collapsable per year list.

You can do this since the new design was introduced a few years ago.

ceh2019

Quote: "peterjhalford"​Long pages are not a good plan, they are unruly. When adding your banknote could there be a drop down list that allows you to select a particular year, or a collapsable per year list.

​If that were possible, it would solve many of the problems long lists of individual dates could create. For now, I'd say the best approach is to include indvidual dates if it's practical (for many notes it's only a few) in the hope that it will be possible to do a better job in the future. I certainly wouldn't want to see the lists we do have removed due to over zealous application of a new guideline.

Agree. Where lists of dates are in place they should remain.

 

Many banknote issues of the British Isles, have a large range of dates of issue. Generally, more modern issues have fewer individual dates.

A means by which a collector could add a date when adding a banknote of theirs to the listing would be useful.

I guess I don't quite understand…if a banknote has an issue with a month day year it should have a line for that month day year.  If there are multiple month day  issues with the same year then there should be lines for each date.

 

If there is the occasional long date list, well that is what it is.  

 

We are trying to be a complete catalogue that will be valued by all, not an ever condensed catalog by type, which is what will happen if we just choose to overlook and to not list known banknote dates.

 

I will not advocate for this.

Oklahoman

I guess I don't quite understand…if a banknote has an issue with a month day year it should have a line for that month day year.  If there are multiple month day  issues with the same year then there should be lines for each date.

 

If there is the occasional long date list, well that is what it is.  

 

We are trying to be a complete catalogue that will be valued by all, not an ever condensed catalog by type, which is what will happen if we just choose to overlook and to not list known banknote dates.

 

I will not advocate for this.

I agree that that should be our goal. The only problem is how to do this in practice? For some notes we're talking perhaps thousands of individual dates. A drop down list for the dates within each year will be much more user friendly.

Seems like a drop down could mess up the statistics and percentages…which might mess up the “numista rarity”( which still hurts to think about).  

 

One reason I have always liked any of the French and colonial French listings are their completeness.

 

Seems to me it would be easier for a type collector to be able select a setting that would only show a general entry.  

I'm wary of following the way the French part of this catologue is set up as it's a complete mess. How they got away with “French Treasure Banknotes” as a country is beyond me. Notes like this exemplify what can go wrong if the system we have isn't used properly (months in comments rather than entered in the proper box). However, if the information exists to list all dates and it can be done accurately then it certainly enhances the catalogue. I simply wonder how we'd approach a note like this? It was in production for 75 years. Even an average of just 14 dates per year would give us over a thousand dates to list. Can our current system cope with that?

Banknotes of the British Isles in many cases used dates as a security measure, with specific dates tied to particular prefixes. This lead to hundreds or thousands of dates.

 

Thought should be given to the usability of the Numista catalogue.

 

Is it relevant to list hundreds of dates on a banknote issue where most collectors would have a single example in a Type collection? 

 

It would be better to focus on developing the Numista catalogue so that it includes a listing of all the types of notes of each country. Focus should also concentrate on the more modern notes so that the vast majority of banknotes which collectors are likely to have will be covered in the catalogue.

 

Members should then be encouraged to participate by uploading images of their notes into the catalogue.

I will be accepting edits for all month day year issues.  I will be surprised if Numista ever decides to not list all known dates.  We are a catalogue after all.  

The system automatically puts dateline in order.  How are we concerned that it might take some seconds to scroll to the correct date line?

Oklahoman

I will be accepting edits for all month day year issues.  I will be surprised if Numista ever decides to not list all known dates.  We are a catalogue after all.  

The system automatically puts dateline in order.  How are we concerned that it might take some seconds to scroll to the correct date line?

 

 

The concern isnt that the dates are listed, just the crazy long amount of scrolling that will be needed on certain pages.  

If its the seconds of time that anyone is concerned about then maybe we can ask if they can rig the page up so when you type in the date of your note it takes you right to that line?

 

If that is what's been posed then I was slow on the uptake.

A filter as such would be helpful again