Iran 2 Qirans 1311/0 Overdate - new listing

Please find attached images of my Iran 2 Qirans 1311/0 Overdate variety. The coin also exhibits an ~16° rotation in the wreath & denomination on the reverse, in a counterclockwise direction. This appears to result in doubling of; the crown, berries on the right hand side and the bow of the wreath. The focus here though is the submission of the overdate (i.e., the central elements do not appear rotated).

Obverse

Reverse


Overdate area (to the right of the rear leg)

Normally the date is UNDER the lion and BETWEEN the legs, have a look here.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces62095.html

On your coin it is exactly the same. You have a double crown, but an over date not so much!

Have a look at that last 1, it is over the dot (most of which can clearly be seen to the right of the 1) which is used for 0. They have both been struck there, it is not debris.

This is how I see it,

I think you're right, it's not debris, but I doubt very much it's part of the date. The placement is completely wrong!

Cita: "Sjoelund"​I think you're right, it's not debris, but I doubt very much it's part of the date. The placement is completely wrong!

​I believe GregbythePond is right. As per the coin page the date is to the left and right of the lion's legs (not underneath and between). What's under the lion's legs is the denomination, not the date. From GregbythePond picture here is the date (1311) in red:

It's hard to see in the picture on the Numista page but can be seen easily on the picture from NGC.
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/iran-2-krans-km-909-1310-1311-cuid-1173949-duid-1505825

GregbythePond's coin does look like an overdate 1 over 0.

Cita: "Sjoelund"​
​This is how I see it,

​The area that you have identified as the date is actually the denomination 2 Qirans as per Krause et. al. Also, note the doubling in the berries and the bow on the lefthand side of the coin (which is a separate issue). The numerals for the date appear as 13 in front of the lions paw and 11/0 behind the last paw, again as per Krause et. al.

Hi again,

yes, I thought the date was as "usual" and that was a dire error. Excuse me for that?



The coin from NGC is a very low quality image, yours is tip-top. It bothers me a bit to see a "third" "1" between the real two ones of "11" on the NGC coin, what would that be? I'll try to see if I can find better images and one of a "1310" to compare with.

Sjoelund always appreciate the diagrams, they help clarify. The only 1310 I could find was a listing for KM#908 which is very similar, just with the 2000 Dinars denomination. Don't forget to "upvote" this request. Cheers.

Cita: "GregbythePond"​Sjoelund always appreciate the diagrams, they help clarify. The only 1310 I could find was a listing for KM#908 which is very similar, just with the 2000 Dinars denomination.

​I didn't find any, so I'll let you do what you want with the documentation, just copy the image and save it. Then you can use it, where you want (numista or other places).

Take care

Here is a 1310 (incorrectly listed as 2000 Dinars) 2 Qirans denomination. Krause (Standard Catalogue of World Coins 1801-1900) shows the different lettering for the two denominations on page 740, but it does seem that many are using the two values interchangeably.

Hi again,

so I have incorporated the image of the 1310 coin you found, and the placement of the 0 in 10 corresponds perfectly with the over written 0 on your coin.



A good find my friend, use the documentation as you see fit.

Take care

Thanks again Ole, your graphics are great!

Happy you like them.

Take care