Republic of China [resuelto]

Hello fellow numismatists,

First of all, this is not meant as a political topic, but I realise that it might become one as my question is about China and the territories that belong to it (or not of course). I apologise in advance for breaking this rule and I encourage moderators to nip any political discussion in this topic in the bud.

Here's the reason why I opened this topic: I found two coins from the Republic of China in some kilograms I bought. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5669.html and https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22391.html.

On Numista, Republic of China is cataloged under China. When I look up Republic of China on Wikipedia, it's history seems to be divided in two timeframes. The first runs from 1912 to 1949. After 1949, it's referred to as Taiwan. Now, Numista lists Taiwan as a separate state (although with limited recognition). My first question is why the Republic of China isn't a part of Taiwan on Numista. They're both called 中華民國 (Zhōnghuá Mínguó). That leads me to believe it's really the same country (or state with limited recognition). Could someone clarify that?

My second question is about the second coin I mentioned (https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22391.html). It's dated 1902 and cataloged under the Republic of China. When I look at the history of China, the Qing dynasty didn't end until 1912. How can a coin from 1902 be part of the Republic of China when that republic wasn't established until 1912?

I hope someone can clarify these questions

Thanks in advance!

Cheers!

The Republic of China was the government of (roughly) all of China after the empire fell. Later there was a revolution that took over most of China but not the island of Taiwan. Many parts of the government of the Republic escaped to the island of Taiwan and the government Taiwan considered itself the remains and successor to the Republic of China (and still date their coins from the start of the republic in 1911).

(Many major, important topic are omitted from that summary of the history.)

Generally speaking, the old republic had all of the land of China, the new has an island, and it doesn't make sense to lump the two of them together numismatically.

As far as Y# 120, I haven't looked at how Numista classifies Chinese coins but that is clearly an Empire issue and not a Republic issue.

Cita: "bjherbison"​The Republic of China was the government of (roughly) all of China after the empire fell. Later there was a revolution that took over most of China but not the island of Taiwan. Many parts of the government of the Republic escaped to the island of Taiwan and the government Taiwan considered itself the remains and successor to the Republic of China (and still date their coins from the start of the republic in 1911).


​(Many major, important topic are omitted from that summary of the history.)
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​Generally speaking, the old republic had all of the land of China, the new has an island, and it doesn't make sense to lump the two of them together numismatically.
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Thank you for this explanation!

Cita: "bjherbison"​As far as Y# 120, I haven't looked at how Numista classifies Chinese coins but that is clearly an Empire issue and not a Republic issue.

I've changed the page for this coin, so it's issuer is China Empire. Thank you for helping out!
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Regarding the placement of these coins, this thread has the best explaination:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic103898.html